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Dec 16, 2018 21:05:36 GMT
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Just watched Hubnut saying about his skoda and its had krown cavity wax protection done. now looking at this i think its really good, i have an e39, mini and my brother has 2 cars too, i quite fancy getting set up for doing the cars.
questions are, my dad always used to wax oil every car we had, but reading on the net, they say that waxoil dosnt creep, but its quite good stuff. Years ago i had to waxoil some truck bodies at work, and we used "i think" 3m cavity wax, and that applied much easier than the waxoil.
then there is the Bilt Hamber Dynax S-50 Extreme Anti-Corrosion Wax. thats twice the price of the waxoil, is it worth it?
I have a compressor, thinking of using the shultz gun with the extention pipe on it.
thanks
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slater
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cavity waxslater
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I use the Dinotrol version but I'm sure bilt hamber is the same stuff.
And yes. Shultz gun with a tube on is fine.
Waxyol is great for blasting the underside of stuff but not great in cavitys. It's too 'stiff'
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Last Edit: Dec 17, 2018 8:18:45 GMT by slater
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Dinitrol or Bilt Hamber, Waxoyl better than nothing i guess, but hasn't been highly regarded for many years!
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'76' Datsun 260z 2+2 UK RHD.... owned since '95' none of that rust free LHD import shenanigans!
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all the waxoiling ive done over any rust has just let the rust carry on rusting , might be great on a new car but does little to help a car thats started to go
bilt hamber or dinatrol are better
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Dec 17, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
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I used Waxoyl on a Stag but it had a pampered life so I don't know how well it works for Daily Drivers. I remember looking at a company in the midlands who specialize in rustproofing and they preferred Dinitrol, but would use Waxoyl as a cheaper option... In the USA a lot of guys who drive " beaters " in the harsh winters swear by using old oil sprayed or brushed on. If you go to a breakers yard with older cars and look under them the ones with leaks/ oily undersides don,t rust in those areas. My next rust proofing will be using Dinitrol .
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Dec 17, 2018 12:59:39 GMT
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'Dinitrol ML' is widely used & recognised by the trade - I have used it for several years with nothing but excellent results - they also do a clear protection wax 'Penetrant LT' which is great for open surfaces such has door shuts / A posts & under bonnet areas - in addition to this 'Corroheat 4010' which is also good for under bonnet areas and withstands temperatures of 200c hence it's ideal for bulkheads / inner wings that are within close radius of the engine / exhaust / turbo etc - The waxoyl range are inferior by comparison.
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matty2300
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Dec 17, 2018 16:14:09 GMT
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2002 Saab 93 - Daily 1972 Vauxhall Firenza Sport SL - in storage 1978 Vauxhall Magnum - PROJECT 1993 Vauxhall Cavalier 2.0 GLS - DEAD 1994 Vauxhall Astra 1.4 LS - DEAD 1999 Saab 93 2.0 SE - DEAD 1999 Mercedes W202/C200 - DEAD
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Dec 17, 2018 18:16:23 GMT
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Hi, I've been using bilt hamber on my last few projects. Yes, it is expensive, but it seems to do the job. To test it I've sprayed some on a piece of untreated sheet metal, and left it outside for a year or so. Since I live in the Netherlands it has seen some rain.. You can see the results in the photos. The rusty bit is the backside, I've also left some of the front unexposed. So the results look pretty good to me. The stuff is pretty thin, so I assume it will creep in to cavitys... Now if I could only figure out how to attach pictures...
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Dec 17, 2018 18:17:28 GMT
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Dec 17, 2018 18:19:52 GMT
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right ok, looking at the noxudol then, 5 ltrs on ebay is £50... Not so bad really, some good tips in that article too like warming the panel not just the wax.
thanks for the replies!
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Dec 17, 2018 19:19:58 GMT
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22 quid for the 900 ?
where can you buy the cans?
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Dec 17, 2018 19:32:17 GMT
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right ok, looking at the noxudol then, 5 ltrs on ebay is £50... Not so bad really, some good tips in that article too like warming the panel not just the wax. thanks for the replies! Emm - Firstly if its any good then the quality end of the restoration market will be using it - personally I have never heard of it - there is scant reference to any independent field or laboratory testing too so just because it's comes out good in a magazine test does not necessarily means that it's that good - it may possibly be the best performer of the DIY market range - but it more or less take the same effort to apply a DIY product has it does a tested market leading professional product - you may save a little money using it however high quality professional rust protection is measurably cheaper than a new pair of sills - In the end you will get what you pay for.
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If anybody needs this service doing I am setting up my own rustproofing company in the new year. I have had a lot of experience with Dinitrol and will be using there products mainly
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Dec 18, 2018 10:20:37 GMT
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If anybody needs this service doing I am setting up my own rustproofing company in the new year. I have had a lot of experience with Dinitrol and will be using there products mainly Dinitrol - Have a section within their website specifically for classic car rust prevention treatments - be good & through at what you do and you will probably be able to gain 'Dinitrol Approved Treatment Centre' status - but there is a lot that goes into it and has I am sure that you are aware not's just a matter of wafting a spray wand about under a car (which is the majority of the publics conception) - nothing leaves my workshop once it's been restored without having Dinitrol applied to it first.
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Dec 18, 2018 12:12:56 GMT
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I have been looking at Dinitrol 3125 HSBC from frosts to spray on light surface rust under my modern, has anyone experience of this?
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Dec 18, 2018 20:29:50 GMT
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after applying all of these wax protections, saw the worst happens and you need to weld the area, do they cause fire?
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Dec 18, 2018 22:08:36 GMT
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after applying all of these wax protections, saw the worst happens and you need to weld the area, do they cause fire? It is highly flammable
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Dec 18, 2018 22:09:43 GMT
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You have a inferno! just about finished replacing the wiring and carpets in my TR7 after the cavity wax caught fire.
Have a fire extiguisher or hose close by and someone else to keep a eye out for fire, get on it straight away and it should be cotainable.
For many years now I have used waxoyl and engine oil mixed 50 50, seems to work pretty well, restored the TR in 1995 and 100,000 miles ago, only now are a couple of small rust repairs needed and these are in areas not repaired before.
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slater
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I have been looking at Dinitrol 3125 HSBC from frosts to spray on light surface rust under my modern, has anyone experience of this? I don't really use that one but as I understand it your supposed to overcoat it with 4941 when used externally. Personally I don't like spraying the underside of my (nicer) cars with black goo so I tend to use clear Waxyol instead. As always the amount of effot you put in probably dictates your results. Id would wire brush the rust. Treat it with rust converter then go for the Dinitrol products.
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after applying all of these wax protections, saw the worst happens and you need to weld the area, do they cause fire? I have been restoring cars for 40 years plus - in that period there has also been a fair share of moderns with manufactures rustproofing applied - I have also undertaken additional / accident repairs to previously rustproofed vehicles - I have never had a fire that has damaged a vehicle or its trim - you just need to be careful - remove all trim within the area / protect other trim with fire blankets that are at risk from a stray spark - remove sealer or protective coatings and if you are unsure then don't attempt to weld it until you get a second person to stand on fire watch - keep a bucket of water within reach along with a fire extinguisher - a washing up liquid bottle filled with water is very handy thing too - you need to also be aware of flammable materials in the workshop it's all too easy for a stray spark to set fire to the sweeping brush or debris in the waste bin.
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Last Edit: Dec 19, 2018 9:01:27 GMT by Deleted
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