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Nov 28, 2018 23:46:00 GMT
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Heya I've been into cars long enough that I really think it's time to get some basic welding skills My lovely, but scruffy W124 is probably going to need some welding soon, and it seems like an excellent car to learn on, as it's basically solid, mechanically sound, but sure as hell isn't minty showroom fresh. I bought it as a cheap runaround to move house in 7 years ago, and now i've kinda fallen in love with its big slow dieseley charms! I think this time might be able to patch it up with a bit of anti rust, filler and hope for now, but it's going to need sorting properly in the next year. underneath it's solid, but arches, around the bumpers, tailgate need a bit of attention. 1. Any recommendations on a good starting welder? 2. Any recommendations on training: - worth doing some sort of course? - DVD or youtube or books ok? I'm generally quite practical and good with my hands The basic jist i get is - cheap/curse word welders are hard to learn on - MIG good to start - best to start on thicker metal (i have a gate that i could fix with some box section as a first project) - it just takes a lot of practise to get good sound about right?
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I think you've got the just of it already. But advice I'll offer is stay away from gasless mig welders, practice welding two big lumps of steel together first so get an idea of what the settings do. Always make sure to thoroughly clean the surface of what your welding to shiny metal (or as good as practically possible).
You don't need training or a teacher, just practice.
Car bodywork is thin and will warp easily, so wait until your confident till you tackle the arches. practicing on an old bonnet or something will help.
Always disconnect a car's battery terminals before you start welding repairs.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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A word of warning about w124's, they hide rust very well. The underbody protection is very thick and will still look solid even though the metal behind is long gone.
Before you start have a good poke around the 4 jacking point tubes in the sills, the floor underneath the rear seats particularly under the central locking pump, the rear subframe front mounting point inner edges, the floor under the drivers seat base rails, and the front crossmember between the wishbones.
Other areas like under the washer bottle, front wings, and the estate section side window rails will be more easy to spot.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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ace thanks, there's some really handy tips there.
i had the rear subframe mounts done when i bought the car, so presumably they are still ok. I did have an old merc specialist check over the car when i got it 7 years ago, and at the time that was the only rot. I've had someone waxoil it underneath every few years, but i have kept it outside most of the time since.. so who knows what else lurks!
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Nov 29, 2018 10:31:11 GMT
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Also have a look around www.mig-welding.co.uk - there are quite a lot of tutorials and some interesting forum threads.
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Nov 29, 2018 14:33:44 GMT
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Remember everything in a car is flammable, carpet/underfelt/underseal/waxoil so weld a bit and check for fire or smoke and keep something handy to put a fire out!
The other thing worth having is fire blankets, they are not expensive and ideal for draping over stuff like seats/plastic trims/paintwork that you don't want burned by welding sparkles or grinding sparks
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When cleaning up the area that you intend to weld don't use anything too abrasive. I prefer to use a knotted wire wheel on a drill. Some people go balls deep with grinding discs but you remove more of the metal with them. Ideally you don't want to be making the area you want to weld even thinner.
If you can, start with simple patch repairs. Its not the ideal way to repair rust but it will give you experience with working with thin metal while also being much more forgiving than trying to butt weld it. If patching always cut out the rust before patching over it and keep the over lap to a minimum.
As mentioned above cars can and do burn when being welded. Take the extra time to remove all flammable trim ect from the area you are welding. This is particularly important when welding floors. A little extra time removing a seat and lifting back carpet can save a whole world of grief. Also be wary of wires sitting against metal that may get hot. This maybe quite an obvious one but it's always worth mentioning.
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Dec 13, 2018 13:45:16 GMT
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My bits of advice are, get a decent auto-helmet, get a decent set of gloves, and get plenty of light.
I always find its amazing as much as you need to look after your eyes, you still need to see what you are doing to achieve a neat weld in the right place. Screwfix or Toolstation sell good enough auto-helmets. Means you don't have to worry about holding a mask or moving your head to blacken the screen. Always keep your screen clean as you'll be amazed how much detail you lose looking through a dirty screen.
Have plenty of light to begin with too so that you can start in the right place and the contours of the metal are obvious through the darkened glass. Daylight is best but a good indoor light is ok. Sometimes shadows can confuse you too.
The gloves will protect you from sparks that although aren't a major issue, can put you off keeping your hands steady of you aren't used to it.
Other than that, practice practice and watch plenty of Youtube. Learn to spot a good weld, and how to get things neat. This will then make it alot easier to clean up afterwards - see TonyBMW's advice. Start with thicker stuff, then when you move onto thin stuff, start with a series of spots eventually joined up to minimize distortion. By watching Youtube, you will also learn to spot when things go wrong, like incorrect gas, lack of gas, bad torch tips, incorrect current, incorrect wire speed etc etc.
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Dec 13, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
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^^ I have a little LED light (like a security kinda light) that I use when welding underneath cars. Think it was only a few quid off eBay but has been priceless in terms of how handy it's been 👍
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