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Nov 25, 2018 11:30:41 GMT
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My brother has a Mercedes 190 2.3 16v motor (Cosworth). It's being converted to carbs so the distributor needs to be changed. The Bosch in there at the moment only has a rotor arm in it. We've heard that some W123 models have an electronic Bosch, but so far have only tracked down points versions. Is there an electronic version with this figment?  |
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My brother has a Mercedes 190 2.3 16v motor (Cosworth). It's being converted to carbs so the distributor needs to be changed. The Bosch in there at the moment only has a rotor arm in it. We've heard that some W123 models have an electronic Bosch, but so far have only tracked down points versions. Is there an electronic version with this figment? |
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My brother has a Mercedes 190 2.3 16v motor (Cosworth). It's being converted to carbs so the distributor needs to be changed. The Bosch in there at the moment only has a rotor arm in it. We've heard that some W123 models have an electronic Bosch, but so far have only tracked down points versions. Is there an electronic version with this figment? or 123ignition.nl/pro |
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Nov 26, 2018 10:48:57 GMT
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This was my first port of call. Sadly, I've spoken to them and they don't cater for this. They can modify the standard distributor for £620. Far to expensive.
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Nov 26, 2018 11:27:34 GMT
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Why do you need to change the dizzy? The EZL ignition will still work fine....
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Nov 26, 2018 11:34:12 GMT
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You could try H&H on 01384261500 they are good and reasonably priced for new and rebuilt distributors
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Nov 26, 2018 12:00:03 GMT
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Why do you need to change the dizzy? The EZL ignition will still work fine.... I also assumed it would but my brother has been told elsewhere it won't. Thanks for the info. If it does, that'll be fantastic. Do you know of any cars that are running just the ignition? |
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Nov 26, 2018 12:01:41 GMT
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You could try H&H on 01384261500 they are good and reasonably priced for new and rebuilt distributors It's on the list but was looking for a cheap swap in to try first. I have heard good things about them too. Thanks |
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Nov 26, 2018 12:21:53 GMT
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Why do you need to change the dizzy? The EZL ignition will still work fine.... I also assumed it would but my brother has been told elsewhere it won't. Thanks for the info. If it does, that'll be fantastic. Do you know of any cars that are running just the ignition? It will work as it is a separate system from the fuel injection, I did the same to a merc v8 with a holley 4 barrel. just make sure sure you leave the flywheel and it's sensor in place. The earlier 190 2.0 had a dizzy with the trigger sensor built in, but that's the only one I can think of that will be a direct swap. Even then the ignition module would be wrong for the 16v engine. |
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 12:25:57 GMT by carat 3.6
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1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon
1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered!
1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Nov 26, 2018 13:32:29 GMT
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Thanks Carat. Brilliant information 👍
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Nov 26, 2018 18:11:21 GMT
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Surely the ignition curve would be different? I know you know your stuff about Mercs Carat but unless the system is off a Cosworth I can't see how the curves would be the the same. If they are, I apologise  . 123 is pricey, and that's a higher price than what hoopsontoast paid for his Dolly 1850 dizzy (£300) and what I was quoted for my Stag (£450). I do know that when a friend of mine fitted a converted 123 AJ16 dizzy for his XJS, he was saying it really woke his engine up ; to his knowledge, the Jag dizzyless system is not adjustable. More than when it was on Emerald. It made more power on Emerald, but the torque and drivability, even on track improved way more on the 123. I suspect that was partly down to the tuning as well from a bloke who actually tuned XJSs but still. Nodiz is another option, but you will need a trigger wheel on the crank/flywheel to make it work, in addition to a new coil pack and leads. You'd probably be in for around £400-500ish however given the Nodiz is around £250ish to buy. |
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Last Edit: Nov 26, 2018 18:12:29 GMT by ChasR
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Nov 26, 2018 18:44:26 GMT
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Surely the ignition curve would be different? I know you know your stuff about Mercs Carat but unless the system is off a Cosworth I can't see how the curves would be the the same. If they are, I apologise . 123 is pricey, and that's a higher price than what hoopsontoast paid for his Dolly 1850 dizzy (£300) and what I was quoted for my Stag (£450). I do know that when a friend of mine fitted a converted 123 AJ16 dizzy for his XJS, he was saying it really woke his engine up ; to his knowledge, the Jag dizzyless system is not adjustable. More than when it was on Emerald. It made more power on Emerald, but the torque and drivability, even on track improved way more on the 123. I suspect that was partly down to the tuning as well from a bloke who actually tuned XJSs but still. Nodiz is another option, but you will need a trigger wheel on the crank/flywheel to make it work, in addition to a new coil pack and leads. You'd probably be in for around £400-500ish however given the Nodiz is around £250ish to buy. Your spot on, the ignition curve is not even close. As I say the ignition module (ezl) would be way wrong for the 16v. Noidz is a good shout though, I've got a 300-24 with a dead ezl unit and a replacement is made from unobtainium. Was going to try fitting ford edis to it from a v6 explorer when I get time. |
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1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon
1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered!
1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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