was8v
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Nov 19, 2018 13:42:12 GMT
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I have a car with an 085 battery that was bought new in 2014.
The car was used maybe twice in 2014.
Then the battery disconnected and periodically charged and the car taken round the block once a year.
2 years ago it was left in the garage connected to the car. This is an old kit car, so I know the only drain would be radio presets.
I have just gone to look at it, the battery measures a solid 0V, nada.
The electrolyte is all above the plates.
Is there any hope of reviving it? Or shall I go weigh it in.
Cheers.
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Ritchie
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Nov 19, 2018 13:58:23 GMT
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I would stick it on a slow charge with another battery connected in parallel with leads to get it going. If the cells start bubbling after a while you're onto a winner. It's worth a go, you've nothing to lose.
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paul99
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Nov 19, 2018 14:03:46 GMT
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On a side note, has anyone tried those battery rejuvenating pellets to any success?
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Ritchie
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Nov 19, 2018 14:09:45 GMT
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I knew a guy who used to swear by them but I've never tried them. Look a bit snake oil to me. I bit of googling might turn up some hard evidence either way.
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Nov 19, 2018 14:32:12 GMT
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Hi, Yes, I've used with quite a bit of success, not 100% but maybe 75%.
Put it on charge as said and see if it responds, there's another trick to try if it doesn't.
Colin
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was8v
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Nov 19, 2018 15:41:14 GMT
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Thanks all.
Will I risk killing my good battery though by sticking it in parallel?
I have some SLA batteries about half the size of a car battery that hold decent charge...I don't mind killing those so much. Can I use one of those to get the charger going even though they are much smaller capacity?
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Nov 19, 2018 16:02:20 GMT
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Hi, You won't kill a good battery for the short time it will need to get the charge going.
Colin
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93fxdl
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Nov 19, 2018 17:09:30 GMT
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Could try Epsom salts Ttfn Glenn
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Nov 19, 2018 18:08:04 GMT
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Heard something called EDTA works, I've a few like this. Tends to happen when you've 18 cars in various states of roadworthiness!
I often recharge them with a pair of smart chargers I have, but some may be too far gone.
I've read that the ones that you can open the cells, pour out the acid, wash it out about ten times and then clean with EDTA and then after that refill with fresh 8:1 sulphuric acid.
Does this sound plausible?
Sam
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ChasR
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Nov 19, 2018 18:17:04 GMT
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Batteries self-discharge. A car IME will only ever give a surface charge, so if the battery does run low, it really needs going onto a proper car charger to revive it. The electrolyte will still be above the plates since as the water level drops the plates also suphate with them eventually forming hard crystals. Of course, this reduce the volume in the battery for fluid, so the fuild level won't tend to drop. IME it only tends to drop if either the battery is leaking somewhere, the battery is being boiled from overcharging, or the solution is boiling off from normal use, generally down to the electrolyte becoming weaker as the battery becomes sulphated. My knackered Merc battery had water above the plates. It was a 2013 battery, on a car that hadn't been run for 2 years. It was bubbling away on the CTEK and despite various attempts at recharging, it's days were numbered. Yes I did try it, but God that car struggled to turn over with it. A week prior to this shot, it was floating at 12.5V off the car, with it never going back into the car. It sounds like yours is too late in some ways. You can attempt to revive it as stated above; I've heard mixed stories myself ; once the plates become suphated over a period of time that stuff becomes pretty rock hard. But if it were me I'd attempt to do the following: -Recharge it on a battery charger until full. That is if the battery charges. Some charges can do full charges. People say the smart chargers can't do this. My CTEK can ; it has a supply mode for testing purposes which can lend itself well here. If it works on a fancy charger like a CTEK, try the Reconditioning function -Put it onto a capacitance tester; the Foxwell BT-100 is available for little money and IME gives far more conclusive proof of what's going on over a simple voltmeter. If it comes back as dead there, as in less than 50% of the CCA is available in the battery, it's goose is cooked. At this time of year, it's not really worth trying solutions, especially if you need the car IMHO. I wrote a post on it a while back, as TBH I've been there, and keep going there! forum.retro-rides.org/thread/201788/car-batteries-testing-charging-maintaining
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Last Edit: Nov 19, 2018 18:27:37 GMT by ChasR
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was8v
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Nov 22, 2018 10:27:25 GMT
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Brill thanks I will try next time I'm over there.
Failing this then a new battery can be had for £38, I might get a fiver back in scrap for the old, such a shame to bin a little used battery that looks like new.
Thing is the car has other gremlins, I think wrong ignition coil (possibly ballast coil fitted to non ballast wiring), the reason it was laid up, I'd like to get it going for the spring but before spending anything I want to diagnose it really as it might end up laid up for another 2 years and kill another battery......although i would disconnect it this time and occasionally charge.
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Last Edit: Nov 22, 2018 10:54:50 GMT by was8v
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