cjhillman
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Nov 10, 2018 17:50:50 GMT
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Hi all, My 1.1 Escort is getting quite warm these days... It basically gets up to just over half way ( in traffic) on the Temp gauge and i hear the fan kick in... this makes me worry and i usually put on the interior fan to drag a bit of heat away.... not nice in London traffic It seems to use a lot of water after a couple of big trips and ive noticed a smell like burnt water or, dirty water and stains on the radiator plus a few drops of water so i thought this is my obvious problem although... ? I'm not sure if this is enough to loose that much water or, causing it to get warm? I want to fix this but I don't know if i should go for a new radiator for peice of mind? or, try Radweld? Heres some pictures of the radiator and a leak that seems to be happening near the firewall. Chris
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Nov 10, 2018 18:48:36 GMT
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Radiator looks "end of life" to me. Renew that and flush the rest of the system plus fresh coolant should resolve. Trying to nurse the rad on risks something bad happening IMO.
Nick
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cjhillman
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Nov 10, 2018 22:59:30 GMT
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Cheers mate! will look into a new radiator! I thought it didnt look that healthy... I think ive seen some floating around ebay... just need to find the right one.
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cjhillman
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Can anyone recommend a good Radiator brand? Don't know if it matters so much as other stuff?
I've seen a new old stock one for a very good price by Serck Marston? Guessing it's a Brand from the time or distributer.
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Nov 12, 2018 11:05:12 GMT
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Serck Marston should be fine.
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Nov 12, 2018 12:16:18 GMT
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Serck or Valeo would be trusted names if I was searching.
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djefk
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Nov 12, 2018 15:14:31 GMT
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Echo above - Even if that's not the main problem, that rad is Donald Duck'd anyway and will be cheap to replace on an Escort for peace of mind - You don't need anything fancy as the 1.1 can't generate enough heat to really test it!
While you're there, time to do some preventative maintenance on the assumption that if the rad is that bad the rest of the system will need some attention:
- How old are the rad hoses and thermostat? All cheap enough that they can be replaced as a matter of course if they're old (or you don't know). Don't forget to replace the hose clamps too if they don't look too clever! - Make sure you backflush the block and heater before installing a new rad - You'll be amazed what a difference a good flush makes to the heater now it's getting cold outside, also you don't want all that curse word going in your nice new rad and starting to block that too! - Make sure you use decent antifreeze in the correct strength.
Do all this and you should solve the issue and won't have to worry about anything more than fluid level and the occasional visual inspection for at least a couple of years.
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Last Edit: Nov 12, 2018 15:15:56 GMT by djefk
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ChasR
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All good advice here. It's really not worth chancing radiator leaks. It's surprising what a difference a new radiator can make; they do clog up over time internally, which nothing short of rodding the radiator (read in most cases; the same if not more than just buying a new radiator can do). I'd be careful about thermostats however if you change that as well, albeit I still would. Most thermostats on the aftermarket are curse word IME. Lately, I've had stats in a few cases cool more than what I removed. That includes a Triumph Spitfire 1500, going from a CalorStat to a FirstLine item; not a car known for overcooling! Pug 106 GTi with the same deal albeit genuine to FL. I've seen others too have this but claim it must be normal 'because it's a new stat; it can't be that!' With a genuine 'stat I've never really had the problem, bar my now sold Escort RS Turbo, where I fitted a cooler item (82 degrees vs. the factory 88), but that simply ran slightly lower than where it should have done on the gauge. CalorStat, Behr and Wahler are good brands to go with. However, in most cases, I've found that the stealers (or in your case Burton) will charge the same for a decent part anyway as a parts retailer would. eBay showed Behr 'stats for me W124 at £23 + postage. It was the same price from the dealer minus postage . I don't mean to preach but when you've practiced Einstein's theory of stupidity alot, it does remind you to not do this again, and yes I do find myself slippin' back into my old ways, a little like Slippin' Jimmy .
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Last Edit: Nov 15, 2018 5:02:13 GMT by ChasR
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cjhillman
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Nov 15, 2018 15:40:56 GMT
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Cheers for all the great advice guys!! its a really big help!! So far i've bought the Serck Marston Radiator for £40 (think thats pretty decent) and i'm know looking into Hoses, Termostat and Gasket . I've owned the car 5 years and nothing has been touched. Regarding the the termostat... how do you chose the right temp one? I have read about cheap ones being awful and causing problems but, like i said this one has been in 5 years/ 10000 miles (ish). I'm a little concerned to mess with it as last winter i was stuck in traffic and the temp went right up to the red, i pulled over and let it cool down... never done it since. i've been piling on the miles this year as its my only motor now and I'm not sure if it was a freak thing or what. Like ChasR says the price on these seem to be a bit all over the place. I've noticed the Gasket is as much sometimes Regarding the hoses... are we just talking about just Top and Bottom hoses? These ones are Motorcraft and seem in good nick, the clamps still seem good (and say Ford on them surprisingly ) But, i've found a couple more and i'm not sure if manufactures with these are massively important or not. I'll add a couple of pics of the Motorcraft Hoses and the ones i've seen as replacements. Also noticed from inspection another hose seems to join the Bottom hose and run along the block to the water pump... cant find this yet but i can imagine thats a pain it it goes wrong Its a bit muddy under here at the moment... (I'm ordering a new Rocker Cover Gasket at the same time... i know its a mess) Not sure if these are as good??... not much info in the listing and the pipes seem to say QH on them or something of that ilk? Lastly, when you flush the block do you guys use anything other than water? i'm sure ive seen products for this but, if i don't need them thats always good. Cheers for all the help guys!
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cjhillman
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Nov 18, 2018 20:54:35 GMT
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ChasR heres a pic of the temp gauge when stuck in traffic on London Bridge, (interior fan just on that is!! ) if i don't put the interior fan on it gets a little higher than this an the Rad fan kicks in but, if I'm driving along (no traffic) its at a 1/4 of this Wondered what your RS was near this temp ... although i understand its a different beast to my 1.1 apart from the shell. My old Ford Focus used to get to half an never budge so i don't know what i should be aiming for on the gauge!
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Nov 18, 2018 21:38:05 GMT
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The rad kicking in when it does is fine. The rad fan kicking in is no bad thing I base my theory off a few cars. The main ones are the Fords. If it's at a quarter normally, either your thermostat is shot or your housing is not sealing the thermostat correctly; the latter is more of a CVH issue due to years of using curse word coolant. Ideally, the gauge should go to halfway when normally running and stay there. With the lower temp stat, my RST would get to just below half way. It would then rise to 3/4s. On the fresh rad it would drop back to halfway in around 30 seconds to a minute tops, with both aftermarket fans working. With the correct thermostat my RST would have stayed at at the halfway mark once warm up, and then raise as I mentioned previosuly. You can get lower temp rad switches for RSTs but I never bothered; the fans worked fine . The '89 Escort XR3i I had with no stat would barely come off the bottom of the white segment: I don't think it had a thermostat TBH! My dads' Mk4 XR3i of the same vintage used to be at halfway all of the time. It would raise towards 3/4 of the gauge but never hit it. Like mine, the fans would kick in, and the car once again cool down to halfway again. This would repeat itself. The Focus is an unfair comparison ; they have damped gauges. My Mondeo V6 with a similar damped gauge would be dead at halfway from 80 degrees all the way to 110! no I am not kidding! The gauge would not move. I only found this out through the car's self diagnostic and when my rad started playing up. The fans on that only kicked in once the car hit 100 degrees C! They did used to kick in quite a bit in town, and that car did alot of town driving. Peugeots until '05 didn't have damped gauges, so their gauges wander a little too. My 205 fan would kick in at 3/4 of the way too. It never overheated with me. The only time it ever came close was at the Nurburgring! Despite the fan being on, I was in 34+ degrees C heat, stuck behind an AC'd coach in twisty hills barely going above cycling pace.
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cjhillman
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Nov 18, 2018 22:42:39 GMT
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Thats instersting ! didnt know that about the Focus... had the car for 7 years and it was solid on half untill one day it went right into the red and i only realised when the Car went really sluggish haha!! was never quite the same.
So you think if i get a standard thermostat and replace the Rad (when it turns up ) it should sit more at half generally? I know they're all different, just don't have a Car to compare it too and when it reaches about 3/4 on the gauge with the fan on, i start sweating haha!!
don't suppose you saw my post about the replacement top/bottom hoses for the existing Motorcraft ones? just trying to figure out if i should stick with what i have already if I'm not buying Motorcraft?
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ChasR
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Thats instersting ! didnt know that about the Focus... had the car for 7 years and it was solid on half untill one day it went right into the red and i only realised when the Car went really sluggish haha!! was never quite the same. So you think if i get a standard thermostat and replace the Rad (when it turns up ) it should sit more at half generally? I know they're all different, just don't have a Car to compare it too and when it reaches about 3/4 on the gauge with the fan on, i start sweating haha!! don't suppose you saw my post about the replacement top/bottom hoses for the existing Motorcraft ones? just trying to figure out if i should stick with what i have already if I'm not buying Motorcraft? Sorry, I was meant to reply! If it were me, if the hoses look fine, I'd leave them. On my MX-5, the replacement hoses from a well-known shop looked worse than genuine items and were cracking despite only being 3 years old. If I kept the car, I'd have gone with either genuine hoses or silicon replacements. For the thermostat, I'd always go Motorcraft/Ford. Most pattern ones like Circoli and First Line are not much better than a tired thermostat; I've actually had worse results at times, where I see others have, and they've put it down to overcooling. With genuine 'stats, I've never had that problem. The second best choice would then be a Hella/Behr branded item or a Wahler. But in those cases, the dealer generally is the same price, and sometimes cheaper. For the Merc, it was cheaper for me to get one from the dealer; that now sits where it needs to on the gauge, with better heaters to show for it. Same for the gasket paper. The paper doesn't just stop water leaving the engine, it also seals the thermostat between the hot side and cold side. Alot of people IME miss that and this is another reason why thermostats don't seem to play ball; the water simply goes around the thermostat where no seal is present; metal on metal in this application doesn't form a great seal.
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cjhillman
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Jan 13, 2019 16:13:29 GMT
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Thats interesting about the Thermostat paper! I bought a Wahler one and it should come with a gasket . I did notice the original was covered by the gasket too. I'll probably keep my eye on these hoses for a bit and stick the others under the seats. The new ones seemed really supple and fresh so we'll see.
The struggle was getting parts like original hoses etc. Ford don't stock anything and Burton don't really for this specific engine. I've noticed in the last couple of years parts have become a little hard to come by for this car. Wheel bearings and the exhausts were a nightmare this year.
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