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Sept 11, 2018 9:59:55 GMT
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Hi
I hope someone can clarify....
I understand most of the Biva stuff (I think)...
I'm looking at buying an already converted 2CV with the rear bodywork removed and a Van body installed. It does have the chassis shortened by a foot or so behind the axle. My reading of the rules says it should then need BIVA.
However, the description (Section D3) already says, "Car derived Van". Does this mean that its identity would not be in question? (it was probably built 15 years ago or more). Would there be any reason for the DVLA to be interested?
As you probably know, most 2CVs these days already have "like for like" replacement chassis due to terminal rot, but they would not be shorter.
Thank you
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Last Edit: Sept 11, 2018 10:01:55 GMT by neverright
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Sept 11, 2018 11:40:27 GMT
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As far as I understand it, 'car derived van' is a production specification and it is unlikely to cover a car converted into a van by an owner.
I could be wrong, but that's how I understand it.
I think DVLA would be very interested in a shortened chassis too FWIW.
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Last Edit: Sept 11, 2018 11:41:30 GMT by Deleted
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Sept 11, 2018 16:26:59 GMT
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Yeah, clutching at straws I know......But, was thinking it looks like a citroen, it looks like a van all as indicated on the v5....
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Sept 12, 2018 23:19:44 GMT
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If the vehicle description on the V5 is already car derived van then it's probably okay. Sorry... I might not have read your initial post properly and you may have said that!
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Sept 13, 2018 8:47:59 GMT
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I was involved with recent surge of 2cv van conversion when it first came out . 3 got caught 3 didn't . However shortened chassis means it requires BIVA. This creates a problem with a bought (rather than built) vehicle.
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Sept 13, 2018 10:43:42 GMT
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OK, thanks for the reply. So buying an already completed vehicle (no matter what the V5 says) would come with the risk of getting a pull and require to submit for BIVA.?
(I suspect I'm looking at one of the 3 that got away....)
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Last Edit: Sept 13, 2018 10:44:33 GMT by neverright
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Sept 13, 2018 14:18:21 GMT
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What Kev is alluding to is that to be eligible to apply for BIVA you must have built the vehicle yourself. It is a test for home built vehicles. If you buy a vehicle then obviously you didn't build it.
To apply for it may involve some creative dismantling.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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ftz313
Part of things
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Sept 15, 2018 20:52:11 GMT
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Hi I hope someone can clarify.... I understand most of the Biva stuff (I think)... I'm looking at buying an already converted 2CV with the rear bodywork removed and a Van body installed. It does have the chassis shortened by a foot or so behind the axle. My reading of the rules says it should then need BIVA. However, the description (Section D3) already says, "Car derived Van". Does this mean that its identity would not be in question? (it was probably built 15 years ago or more). Would there be any reason for the DVLA to be interested? As you probably know, most 2CVs these days already have "like for like" replacement chassis due to terminal rot, but they would not be shorter. Thank you I see you are looking at buying an already registered vehicle and thus are in possesion of a v5c as you state it is registered as 'Car derived Van'. Here's a link to the required changes www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificateThus as your registration document is already changed to 'car derived van' then you have met the requirements placed on you. Enjoy your van-you have met the legal requirements placed on you. It would be a different matter if it was registered as a car as you then may have to 'jump through some hoops' to convert it to a 'car derived van' but you are already there, as you state. |
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Sept 15, 2018 21:08:44 GMT
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ftz313 ...you sir are a danger to anyone that listens to you .PLEASE stop stating opinion as fact. As you insist of links for people to 'prove' correct procedures please read the following www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate Yes your link again but note where it states changes to chassis ARE notifiable. "chassis or bodyshell (replaced or modified)" Well done to all others who DO have a handle on the regs. |
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Last Edit: Sept 15, 2018 21:17:43 GMT by kapri
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Sept 16, 2018 8:26:31 GMT
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I'll go so far as to say he is talking absolute curse word. flz313, why do you feel the need to be correct despite the overwhelming body of fact stacked up against your opinion. The way you are stating stuff has all the hallmarks of the logic of "freemen on the land" wibble.
I can assure you I am not building to BIVA for the hell of it and if I thought for one moment I could avoid it I would.
As Kev said, STOP IT! You are going to mislead and cause car builders serious issues if they listen to your carp.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-(
2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap
V8 Humber Hawk
1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD
1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Sept 16, 2018 9:00:12 GMT
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Best bet if you are really concerned is to contact DVLA and tell them you have purchased a vehicle that was converted 'XX' years ago to a CDV but bought by you recently its tax class is described correctly on the V5, and see what they say.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Sept 25, 2018 18:01:51 GMT
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Best bet if you are really concerned is to contact DVLA and tell them you have purchased a vehicle that was converted 'XX' years ago to a CDV but bought by you recently its tax class is described correctly on the V5, and see what they say. If you want correct answer then speak to K&R Division as they specialise in identity queries. The answer you get from a phone answerer at DVLA could be anything they feel like saying that day . If it's not in writing it means NOTHING !! |
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