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Aug 27, 2018 16:26:06 GMT
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Has anybody had any? My wings are ok but I don't think they'll last because I've seen the pitting on them which I've treated but the fear is that they'll eventually start again.
I've seen some on eBay that could be kept as spares?
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1966 Ford Cortina GT 2018 Ford Fiesta ST
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ChasR
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Aug 30, 2018 22:36:55 GMT
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What car?
In general, most are curse word in fitment. I'd avoid them personally, especially if they orginate from Smith & Deakin. I'm sure Stevie Wonder is part of their quality control.
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Conversely, aircooled VW ones seem to be better than the repro steel ones, both Day Mouldings and East Coast Fibreglass.
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Aug 31, 2018 19:52:01 GMT
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It's for my mk1 cortina, I picked it up a wing for £20.
My steel ones need work and I can't afford new steel ones
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Aug 31, 2018 20:10:27 GMT
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Sorry for the 50 questions. -Just how bad are your current ones? Do you have shots? -How pricey are the new steel items and do they fit well out of the box? -What brand are the FG wings? @neildavis ' scenario is the first I've come across. I ended up chucking my FG remains in the bin for my 'B the fitment was that wibblepoo. I'm talking wavy panel caps (God knows for S&D use for straight lines, maybe it was loose string), curse word shut lines and alot of fettling. -Are you fitting them or is a bodyshop. If you have time on your hands the FG *may* be a wise choice. As for me sounding like a prick, I'm in the same boat as you with my M3 and W124 and my past experience has left me in a dilemna. New wings are £320 each and £200 respectively, ableit the Merc's are much worse . Some Carbon Fibre items are shocking in fitment. There is a question mark over some of the FG items, but even they are £150 each for the M3, which in body prep from a paintshop may not make that much difference to the final price anyway. For now I'm living with them until they are terrible. Pattern Merc ones are £50 each but from my previous W124 I do know the pattern fit is shocking; I'm talking of rubbing on the A Pillars or having a gap of a country mile against the bonnet and that's before I get to the door. that and both of my cars probably still worth less than a 'tina .
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Last Edit: Aug 31, 2018 20:11:43 GMT by ChasR
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I would choose steel over fibreglass any day, at least with steel you can effect good strong welded repairs even if you have to use filler to get the final shape correct
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I've had Smith & Deakin wings that have been OK - not perfect out of the box but with a bit of work indistinguishable from steel. I've also run f/g panels from a couple of suppliers on several competition cars over the past 18 years and love them as they're so easy to repair. Damage that would have scrapped steel panels gets repaired fairly straightforwardly and cheaply.
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Sept 1, 2018 14:33:51 GMT
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After years of only fitting steel wings, I fitted a pair of FG rear wings to my Minor Traveller, as I was fed up with the modern steel ones rusting and denting so easily.
Fit and finish aren't too bad at all, and there's a weight saving too, so I'm quite happy with them.
Just the front steel wings in need of a bit of renovation now...
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Sept 2, 2018 11:56:06 GMT
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When fitting GRP Wings check with your insurance company as it may have a big effect on your policy if you have an accident.
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Sept 3, 2018 10:18:43 GMT
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had some for my EF. Always expect to make some adjustments on fibreglass panels in terms of trimming but they fit great, wont rust and are lighter too.
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Sept 3, 2018 20:49:44 GMT
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I'll bear all this in mind, I've managed to sort the steel wings but I think if these do start rusting I'll change to grp
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Nothing inherently wrong with grp. They just get bad rep because people buy them expecting them to be mint and fit perfectly out the box like any pattern part they usually need alot of work if your looking to build a show car.
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Sept 5, 2018 17:08:00 GMT
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What slater said. You can get them right, but if you are paying a bodyshop or have limited time, why go through that hassle and ordeal? That said, from people (including some on here) have said they fit fine I've very rarely seen a set fitted as good as an OEM panel;I'm struggling to think of the last time I did see such a thing. Alot of the issues come down to iffy moulds themselves. For those saying it is easy I'd show the issues I had with the 'B's kit (the next owners binned my front valance and went with an ally item for a better base) and look at RetroWarwicK 's thread on his Covin. To me a few of the issues I've had on moderns look easy. I'm sure many on here would curse the same jobs as an example. Anything is possible, but be aware of what the costs (time and money, or more money if going to a bodyshop) may well be. Matt's Covin Project
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Sept 8, 2018 16:56:18 GMT
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Hillmanjames got a set of NOS f/g wings from me and fitted them to his Hunter - there should be some info on his build thread. For comparison, I fitted a pair of NOS steel wings to my Hunter, the genuine one is fit & forget, the pattern one is close but the panel edges & flanges are very roughly finished. You might find pattern steel wings are no better than f/g Have another search to see who is making them now and look for comments / feedback from folk who have tried them, I was looking a couple of months ago for Cort mk1 wings and there were a few suppliers. Edit : you can get repair patches for the areas which normally rust Headlight, a-post area, etc
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Sept 8, 2018 18:10:17 GMT
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I know a lot of fibreglass bodied cars develop all sorts of paintwork problems that metal boded cars don't; osmosis, crazing, 'spider' cracks, etc. With fibreglass panels would that mean you'd have to get them repainted every 10-15 years?
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Sept 8, 2018 22:00:27 GMT
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A lot of it is down to you specific skillset. With FG you can basically only do 2 things to make them fit. Remove material or add it. There’s little to no movement in a panel. If you’re only used to working with filler or whatever, this may suit you better.
But is generally why the guys with metalworking skill hate them. You can’t shrink, stretch, tweak or move material around to alter the shape of the existing panel like you can with steel.
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Sept 8, 2018 22:03:01 GMT
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I know a lot of fibreglass bodied cars develop all sorts of paintwork problems that metal boded cars don't; osmosis, crazing, 'spider' cracks, etc. With fibreglass panels would that mean you'd have to get them repainted every 10-15 years? As opposed to a non galv steel part that dissolves completely in the same time period ...
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Sept 8, 2018 22:11:24 GMT
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The other thing to consider is FG wings will almost certainly be seen as a cost cutting exercise by any potential future owner, and will unboutedly devalue the car come resale. If you’ve got a car worth good money that is only going to climb in value, it’s worth the extra time and effort to keep the steel ones.
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Sept 8, 2018 22:50:15 GMT
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The other thing to consider is FG wings will almost certainly be seen as a cost cutting exercise by any potential future owner, and will unboutedly devalue the car come resale. If you’ve got a car worth good money that is only going to climb in value, it’s worth the extra time and effort to keep the steel ones. Very true, there was a nice looking XJ6 S2 on here for sale a while back, the vendor had fitted 2 fibreglass front wings before respraying it. I can remember thinking that he'd 'spoiled the ship for a hap'orth of tar'.
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Sept 8, 2018 22:55:26 GMT
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I know a lot of fibreglass bodied cars develop all sorts of paintwork problems that metal boded cars don't; osmosis, crazing, 'spider' cracks, etc. With fibreglass panels would that mean you'd have to get them repainted every 10-15 years? As opposed to a non galv steel part that dissolves completely in the same time period ... If you intend to use the car as a daily driver on salt flats, paint the panel poorly, not seal the panel properly, never clean the car, allow stone-chips to proliferate, etc. yes that'll probably happen. Or you could just treat the car with respect and clean and maintain it properly.
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2018 22:57:02 GMT by MkX
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