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Whilst all things retro / classic interest me - most readers / members will be aware that a certain 'Jowett' marque forms a significant interest of mine - I have owned a wide variety of older cars over a long period and hence being member of a number of car clubs - The Jowett Car Club without a doubt is most friendly orientated, helpful & supportive club that I ever come across - much to the point that I serve on the committee and will help / input has much I realistically / practically can. Over the last few years we have noted that some dealers are purchasing examples of the marque at the lower end of the market and remarketing them - nothing wrong with that only that they tend to overprice them by several times of the actual value - this in turn has a negative effect on anyone that happens to be looking to purchase and they loose faith / interest - possibly purchasing something else of a different marque. Worryingly we have also come across dealers purchasing models which are sound enough restoration projects but said dealers are finding more value in breaking them for parts / sale of the registration number etc - it's not something that we can prevent them from doing but it's not something that we are prepared to turn a blind eye to either. Where we have a club member that sadly passes away we has a club will do the obvious and offer condolences to the family whilst of recent times we have also discreetly offered to assist in the valuation & sale of any Jowett related assets being vehicles, parts, automobilia etc - having managed to find homes for vehicles quite often spare part hoards / stashes get either offered with the vehicle but increasingly get donated to the clubs spares scheme (a full on parts department that provides parts & assistance for some 30 models built between 1910 - 1954) - with parts not having been produced for over 60 years we have to the make the most of all situations - reconditioning, remanufacture, recovering patterns etc So we have to be proactive and act in both the best interests of the family & the club - I was recently informed that a member had sadly moved on and that the family were left with the task of sorting the estate - they had successfully rehomed a Javelin project via E Bay - our chairman had been touch to offer any assistance and in turn had contacted me to see if I could assist. Duly arranged I went to view the property and was shown a 1952 Jowett Bradford van & 1953 Jowett Jupiter - the van was more or less complete but required a full restoration - the Jupiter in a disassembled state but very restorable - a trader had already had a nibble and took the remnants of a 1930's Jowett truck and left a lowish bid on the Jupiter - disregarded the Bradford van and was cherry picking for wants a better expression. I was very honest in the appraisal - advised accordingly - placed a bid on both vehicles and a decent collection of spares which the family kindly accepted - so enough of my ramblings & reasoning's here is an initial couple of pics - more to come later but now have to go take SWMBO out for her birthday treat  1952 Jowett Bradford van - 4 owners from new - last on the road in 1972  Somewhere under there is a 1953 Jowett Jupiter |
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2018 6:45:02 GMT by Deleted
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May 13, 2018 10:55:34 GMT
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A somewhat sad story with a possible happier ending.It's in safe and capable hands now, that's for sure.
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May 13, 2018 11:37:51 GMT
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Well done in difficult circumstances sir!
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May 13, 2018 13:02:38 GMT
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we have noted that some dealers are purchasing examples of the marque at the lower end of the market and remarketing them - nothing wrong with that only that they tend to overprice them by several times of the actual value - this in turn has a negative effect on anyone that happens to be looking to purchase and they loose faith / interest - possibly purchasing something else of a different marque. exactly the same thing is happening in "our" astra realm. average prices were in the 3-5k region for a nice 16v gte, always lagged behind ford RS siblings, this is just a fact not a gripe, but in the last couple years we have seen dealers re-marketting exceptional ones for 15-30k. they just yo yo around between rich private individuals for who its pocket change, via people on industrial estates trying to make a living out of upselling relatively worthless modern classics. so you end up in a situation where private collectors own the exceptional ones, not really for the love, they swap hands for silly money. then you have the core enthusiast owners in the 3-5k region who see the ones selling for 15-30 and think well mine must be worth 10 at least, then they can never sell them because their target market is still the people expecting to pay 3-5k. then theres the bottom end, the restorations in the hundreds to 3k region, dealers wont touch them with a barge pole because they would have to do some work, and everybody with an ounce of common sense can see you would sink 10k into a car that ends up being worth 5. |
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Last Edit: May 13, 2018 13:05:59 GMT by darrenh
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May 13, 2018 18:50:59 GMT
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So last Friday I ventured 30 miles North from my place with the trailer - very difficult to get the trailer on to the drive of the property which is bearing left at the same time that it falls away steeply from the road / pavement and once in the drive with the Range Rover & trailer it was too tight to get the trailer straightened up to allow it to travel down the side of the property whilst attached to the tow vehicle - so then had to unhitch the trailer and guide it down the side through the car port and has far down the overgrown rear garden has possible - then back the RR down and recouple it to the trailer  With the tyres re-inflated on the Bradford van it moved quite easily and was winched upon to the trailer, loaded the rear of the van up with has many loose parts has I could then secured all the doors etc before traveling back to the barn to unload  Then another run up to Oxford to reload with the Jupiter - same routine to get the trailer down the drive - luckily all the tyres inflated and the chassis was rolling with exception of the rear axle mounting points on the offside but we soon found a couple of bolts that resolved that issue  Once on the trailer I carefully loaded and secured all the inner / outer body panels for the car to it - filled the rear of the RR with has many of the loose parts has I could and set off for the barn again  So both back in the barn & secure     I still need to make another couple of trips - one to collect the remaining Jupiter parts which includes the engine & gearbox - at the same time I will also consolidate the spares that spread between the garden, garage & loft to one single location / pile of parts ready for collection and transport up to Bradford where the club houses it's spares facility   I appreciate that this lot looks beyond use - but there are some very useful parts here - a couple of complete engines that will yield internal component parts etc - then the other stock that has been kept in better condition by retaining it in the garage / house. The garden yielded a further 2 Jowett Bradford vans but these are well beyond saving - they have however sold has a pair via E Bay and will supply some useful spares to someone that makes the effort to extricate them   My plans for the Bradford & Jupiter are to ensure that I have all the parts together for them and make them has complete as possible prior to offering them for sale within the club membership - there is little money to be made after factoring in the recovery & storage costs it does however ensure that 2 more Jowett's are found suitable owners that will restore them and that is payment enough for myself |
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Last Edit: May 13, 2018 18:51:44 GMT by Deleted
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May 13, 2018 21:01:30 GMT
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Nicely done mate.
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skinnylew
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 5,546
Club RR Member Number: 11
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May 13, 2018 21:24:54 GMT
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Great effort.
Jupiter is a pretty car, I would say Jewett is a very underrated marque that has been largely forgotten
It's always a fine line between keeping things out of the mainstream radar of most and thus keeping prices reasonable, and encouraging new people to purchase and increase the scope of the marque and keep the vehicles above banger money. Case in point there is an Ax Gt being advertised currently for £10k. Almost as if it was a 205 GTi or an RS Turbo.
I don't like the idea of an enthusiast being priced out of the market or getting a bum deal but I understand it's the way some people make a livelihood.
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May 14, 2018 13:32:24 GMT
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its not often you need bypass loppers when going to pick you car(s) up, yike
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May 14, 2018 18:57:56 GMT
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That really is a thing of beauty. I've never seen one of these before, how much would one of these sell for? |
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May 14, 2018 21:04:30 GMT
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That really is a thing of beauty. I've never seen one of these before, how much would one of these sell for? Depends on the condition but a good, presentable one is £25k - £30k with a freshly restored one having recently sold at auction for £42k |
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b3nson
Part of things
Posts: 886 
Club RR Member Number: 22
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May 15, 2018 16:21:43 GMT
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It amazes me that there are places in this over crowded country of ours where cars can sit and rot in the undergrowth!
Agree on the Jupiter comments, nice looking little car!
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'99 Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo
'08 Panda 100HP
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May 15, 2018 17:04:58 GMT
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great save...!! there is a blue Jupiter I have spotted out and about in our neck of the woods a couple of times but never when I could get my phone out quick enough to get some pics.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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May 17, 2018 21:50:53 GMT
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So spent all day in Oxford sorting through the rest of the Jowett stuff - did the Jupiter stuff first and loaded the engine to the small trailer that I loaned off my neighbour - then emptied the rest of the garage of Jowett parts - loaded the P38 with everything that was coming back with me for the Jupiter & Bradford that I had purchased -Then commenced on gathering everything Jowett in the loft of the house - baking hot day to be doing it too  Everything is all stored in the far left corner  And the loft hatch is right at the other end of the loft - smacked my head several times on the low beam too  The only access is a hands & knees job under the model railway layout table Over half a ton of parts - moved across the loft then down through the house to outside   Then started to bring all the loose parts from the shed at the bottom of the garden to consolidate them to one pile on the patio at the rear of the house - which is when I found out that the wheelbarrow had a flat tyre!   This in turn uncovered what was under the loose parts  6 Javelin / Jupiter engines, 4 gearboxes & a Bradford engine  Then I found anther shed in the undergrowth - 2 more complete Javelin / Jupiter engines with gearboxes and a Bradford engine  Got back home at 20:30 - long day - will have to crack on and get unloaded tomorrow then get back to proper work in the workshop    P38 did everything with ease has normal Now have to arrange for a van to come from the North to collect all the parts & engines at Oxford and transport them back to the Jowett Car Spares - the clubs spares facility |
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May 17, 2018 22:34:00 GMT
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What’s the difference between the Bradford and Javalin engines?
Are they all still flat 4s?
Quite a parts haul there, are the engines rebuildable or do they tend to wear the cases out too like the beetle engine?
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May 17, 2018 23:11:17 GMT
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I am sure that you know what you are doing....to me, the untrained eye, I see a lot of cr@p and would walk away crying...
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May 17, 2018 23:51:31 GMT
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Ahh, you've got to have an eye for treasure.
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That's a good stash. Keep digging and you may find another car they didn't know about!
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What’s the difference between the Bradford and Javalin engines? Are they all still flat 4s? Quite a parts haul there, are the engines rebuildable or do they tend to wear the cases out too like the beetle engine? Same engine - little difference with things like a shorter drive shaft on the Javelin water pump and the Jupiter has a rev counter drive off the back of the dynamo - engines are re-buildable but does depend on the crankcases more due to corrosion around the stud threads & the cases becoming porous - we have had liners / pistons / camshafts / valves & valve gear / timing chains etc all remade - we even had some crankcases cast several years ago - but in the main if you know what to look for you can source a decent set of cases - crank providing it's the modified oval web crank can be reground and give a good life span - it's combination of being quite diligent when rebuilding and sourcing decent parts - it's not a engine that can be thrown together quickly. |
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Last Edit: May 18, 2018 7:49:13 GMT by Deleted
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I am sure that you know what you are doing....to me, the untrained eye, I see a lot of cr@p and would walk away crying... They would be a lot of us end up crying if someone thought that this haul was curse word and lobbed it in a skip - many components can be reconditioned, others act has patterns for remanufacture, parts that are stripped yield sub components etc - when you have a situation where a manufacture of vehicles closed it's doors to production in 1954 and no one other than the club that supports the marque has since sourced / commissioned / manufactured parts - you have keep your ears to ground and be in a position to act / help - if you can't source or supply the parts to keep the cars on the road then it's game over for the cars, the owners & the club. |
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Last Edit: May 18, 2018 7:50:38 GMT by Deleted
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Ax GTi Turbo
