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Ferrari 348. It's just way too much car. It's for race car drivers only. I've never driven one. I'll take your word for it. But don't we all *think* we're racing drivers?  |
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Exactly what kabman said. Why do things need to be so complicated?
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miaspa
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924 Turbo. First gear syncros can often be dodgy, second gear is a bit hit and miss (I believe they used to go 1->3 when racing), and it's a dog box, so you have to remember how the box works, or you end up in reverse at traffic lights and scare the curse word out of the guy behind you!  My old man drove his early 911 for a while, pulling away in second gear until he found the dog leg first. |
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2017 9:24:59 GMT by miaspa
Found my flashing Pao again.
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Oct 16, 2017 19:41:53 GMT
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 Jumping from my 05 to my 66 Mustang used to be a little problematic. Not because it was hard to drive, but it just needed many many more turns of the wheel to go around a corner and I'd forget. |
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Oct 16, 2017 20:18:39 GMT
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The original Fiat 500 is probably one of the last production cars that didn't have a synchromesh gearbox.
I bet that gave some people some trouble.
But once you figured out how to double clutch downshift you could do some lightning fast shifts, because there were no synchro rings to catch out...
One of the reasons why it was such a great car to learn how to drive in.
Very good handling was another...
Right up to the limit, where you got to learn about snap oversteer...
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Oct 16, 2017 20:46:19 GMT
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As a apprentice age 17 i was made to reverse a AC Cobra out of the workshop . I did not want to do this as this one was a beast of a car . I also had steel toe cap boots on and they have small close together pedals .
Also being shouted at to get on with it didnt help .
Or it being a original !!
Mainly made more difficult due to nerves , one slip of the foot and dumping the clutch and it would be rested vertically up against the wall !
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adam73bgt
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Hardest car to drive?adam73bgt
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Oct 16, 2017 20:58:48 GMT
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When I was at uni I drove to a couple of sports matches in a communal Peugeot 807 that had been ragged to death so every control barely felt connected, which was a challenge. But the hardest car I've tried to drive was a mates Triumph GT6, I'm not sure if it was because of the seats a previous owner had put in it, but I just didn't fit! Felt so much smaller than my B, despite them being fairly similar cars?  The Triumph 6 did make a sweet sound though! |
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ivangt6
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Hardest car to drive?ivangt6
@ivangt6
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Oct 16, 2017 21:02:33 GMT
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I drive a lot of high-end, new cars in my job and, while they're easy to actually drive, manufacturers feel the need to constantly fiddle with the layout and operation of controls. Once upon a time you jumped in any car and turned the key and pressed the clutch and stuck it in gear and you were off. Now....first spend 15 minutes working out where, if anywhere, you need to put the card/fob/widget, then what sequence of pedals you need to hold down, where the starter button is, how to release the **** electric handbrake, how to get it out of Park, work out if the lights are on or off, and so on. It's not much better trying to turn the damn thing off. It's even worse should you want to change the radio channel or adjust the heater or something - what once required pressing a button now needs you to scroll through umpteen menus using whatever twiddly dial/keys/touch-sensitive-haptic-nonsense their styling department intern has decided is the coolest. Just reading that has pi**ed me off!  |
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1979 Mini 1000
1972 Triumph GT6
2007 VW Golf GTi
1979 VW T25 Leisuredrive
1988 Range Rover Vogue SE
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Oct 16, 2017 21:56:58 GMT
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any car after my mrs has been driving it.
She's about a ft shorter than me, and drives with the seat bolt upright
So I get and my knees are around my ears and my belly presses the horn!
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Oct 16, 2017 22:03:22 GMT
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I'm guessing this is a universal woman thing as mine does exactly the same!
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Oct 16, 2017 22:04:25 GMT
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My old ma's series Landrover... Been on her farm from new in 1970. It's stuck in low range and only goes in 1st and 2nd gear. Never had an MOT... It's like driving a wheelbarrow👍
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Not difficult, more awkward. We have a Citroen C4 ecosomething pool car at work. It's a diesel automatic with flappy paddles and it just doesn't work. It has stop-start on it. With a manual, they tend to start when you dip the clutch but this has no clutch so it starts when you hit the gas pedal but it's soooo slow to go into gear. Traffic lights are turning back to red by the time you have it moving. It's a robotised manual and it's slow and jerky in auto and manual mode. I drive an auto and love them but I choose a manual car over this every time. Weirdly, it's the only pool car that's always available.
My old Saab 900 could be a bit of a cow. It had the standard 900 clutch pedal with a really low biting point making quick changes really difficult (my wife never mastered it). It would also torque steer horrifically, especially once remapped. Good fun though.
I once drove a Defender TD5 safari wagon. Several people said it was nigh on impossible to drive. Absolutely loved every minute of it. Not difficult to drive at all, just different.
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When I had just past my test, a mate of mine's parents were away, and he goaded me into taking his dad's 924 out for a 'spin'. Great start - nearly reversing it into the garage (stupid dogleg gearbox!)
The other has already been kinda mentioned ^^ a series 2(no, a 2, not a 2A for those rolling their eyes ;-) ) landy in one of my dad's fields when i was 14. Everything was heavy, and I remember having to practically stand on the clutch to depress it
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melle
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It had the standard 900 clutch pedal with a really low biting point Never noticed that on any classic 900 I've driven. Or was it a new gen 900? |
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In my defence on the column shift point of view, I'd never driven column before, it wasn't the principle of it, but the disconnect between my foot on the clutch and what my hand was doing felt very strange. Also car I'd not driven before, on roads I'd not driven before, in a foreign country. Was nice though when I got used to it Talking of driving positions and transitions. I used to have a Sierra, horrible thing, in order to go anywhere it needed the accelerator booting. After that I bought my Alfa 33 1.7 Cloverleaf, seating position is typically Italian, pedals weirdly offset, short legs, long arms, etc. etc. however the problem came in the first time few times I drove it, I ended up booting it at lights like I would with the Sierra, so for the first few days I tended to launch from lights sideways due to torque steer and in a cloud of smoke. Took a bit of getting used to. |
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Hardest car to drive?Mercdan68
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Oct 17, 2017 16:08:00 GMT
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Not just that horrible gear lever on the 2cv
They drive awful all that leaning over makes you heave!!
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1999 Jaguar s type
1993 ford escort
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Oct 17, 2017 21:59:22 GMT
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Pre War Roll Royces are the hardest cars to drive that I have encountered. Between the fiddly levers on the steering wheel, the non synchro gearbox, the linkage operated brakes, pilot carb starting circuit, wedging oneself past the handbrake and gear lever in the doorway only to be greeted by a non adjustable seat that will never fit me and then the heaviest steering imaginable
Not a pleasant experience.
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ChasR
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Hardest car to drive?ChasR
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Oct 17, 2017 22:37:13 GMT
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I don't see why people have issue with column change , or especially dash mount gear sticks like a 2cv or renner 4. You move the gearknob in exactly the same direction for the same gears as if it was a normal gearstick. You just have to ignore what it's connected to and move the knob as you would normally, and it works fine. I think people get too hung up on what its connected to being different, when it actually works exactly the same. While I see your point I do see @h0twire 's as well. Sure, you look at the gear shift side on yes it is no different to a normal gear pattern. But 5th on a Citroen DS is in the dash practically and 1st and 2nd are next to the steering wheel. That can take some getting used to and while it is moving things in the same direction, it certainly is a very different perspective. I quite like the column shift in a mate's DS. Around town you could caress your hand down the steering wheel and flick it between 1st and 4th without a hitch. 5th was a little tricky as it was quite a step out of the dash,but then not many DSs came with 5 speeds and I understand the 5th gear was effectively a gearbox bolted onto the end of the existing item which probably didn't help. ANYWAY..... Hardest car? I really cannot think of one that strikes me as being hard. Honestly? It has to be all of them when they have broken down or are close to it. That requires you to nurse them home or face the wait of many hours for an RAC man. |
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Oct 17, 2017 23:37:17 GMT
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Hardest car I drove was my old heavily modified galant vr4 in traffic once. It had a rough and low idle, no power down low, a stiff gearbox and a brutal paddle clutch with sticky hydraulics (or cable? Can’t recall). It meant revving the car up hard then easing out the clutch, waiting for the sticky clutch to pop and then it would engage. You either lurched forward like a drunk, or stalled.
I sold the car shortly after that ordeal.
Another car that was hard to drive was my mates old early classic Mini, with pedals so small and close together I couldn’t wear shoes to drive it. The brakes also only worked riiiiight at the bottom of the pedal, and not all that well.
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Hardest car to drive?BenzBoy
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I'm fairly long legged, and found the VW split screen camper to have the worst driving position. It's like trying to drive while sat on the toilet, hunched over the steering wheel in your lap and the pedals sprouting out of the floor. No wonder they put beds in the back, you need a lie down after going any distance in one!
Very cool vehicles that's for sure, but I don't know if I'd get on with driving one.
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