barty
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Sept 23, 2017 15:32:34 GMT
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HI, I bought a 2002 ford fusion 1.4 diesel and on its first run the aux belt snapped on the motorway, we had to get recovered back home at a cost of £168 ouch Anyway got the car home and changed the belt the next day and now the car wont start, it just clicks, so I thought its the battery as we had the hazard lights on for a couple of hours waiting for the recovery truck, so charged the battery up overnight and it still wont start. I have now swapped the battery out of another car and the same thing (the old battery will start the car that I swapped it over for). I have jacked one wheel up and the engine turns over if I turn the raised wheel when its in gear. My thoughts are maybe the starter motor  Has anyone got any thoughts ?? ( had a quick rummage around for the starter motor but not found it yet) |
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Sept 23, 2017 16:49:19 GMT
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seized alternator?
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barty
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Sept 23, 2017 18:48:20 GMT
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don't think so as I can turn the engine over by hand with the wheel raised and the engine in gear, if I turn the wheel with my foot I can see the engine turning and the aux belt doing its thing with the alternator turning ok, thanks for the suggestion though
I need the car for a 100 mile trip on Monday so I'm getting a bit desperate now
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squonk
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Sept 23, 2017 19:01:21 GMT
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If the starter solenoid is just clicking it is likely to be one of two possible problems:
1. Insufficient power is reaching the starter motor. This will most likely be a poor connection between either the battery and the starter motor (heavy red cable) or the battery earth to the engine block. The earth can quickly be checked with a jump lead. Connect one end of the lead to the negative terminal of the battery and the other to a solid metal part of the engine block. Try and start it. If it cranks you probably have a damaged or dirty earth connection.
2. If the above is Ok it is likely that the starter motor is faulty.
My money is on the wiring though.
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barty
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Sept 23, 2017 19:43:10 GMT
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thanks for the suggestion, ill try the earth trick tomorrow.
Ill get the car high as well and have a good look at the starter (wherever its hiding),
Might get my mate to tow start me to see if that works too
Thanks again
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barty
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Sept 24, 2017 8:10:40 GMT
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just seems strange that it was running fine, no problems starting the car then the aux belt went and now it wont start, as far as I can see the aux belt even if it whipped its way off as it snapped couldn't have done any damage.
I did get the starter to turn the engine over briefly when I first changed the belt but then nothing, it fired up but wouldn't run then it just started to click on the solenoid.
got the usual ignition lights on the dash with no warning lights to say anything is wrong
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barty
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Sept 24, 2017 17:40:17 GMT
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ok, I cant get my head round this, I tried a tow start and it didn't want to fire at all, so I guess that rules out the starter.
Anyone got any ideas ??
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Sept 24, 2017 20:16:09 GMT
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Check the cam timing and rotate the engine looking for missing damaged teeth on the cam belt would be 1st. If that checks out then a squirt of easy start to see if at least fires, if so then it is fuel side. Also check for damage the failing belt might have done to wiring sensors etc.
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Sept 24, 2017 20:32:05 GMT
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did you turn the key when being towed, commonrail wont start if you just tow it.
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barty
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Sept 25, 2017 9:19:03 GMT
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I tried turning the key, it just wouldn't start. I can get the starter to turn the engine over so thought I might have been the starter hence the idea of tow starting it. All the normal ignition lights come on the dash with no warning or fault lights.
The aux belt is on the nearside well away from anything that it could damage when it failed. I took the oil cap off and turn the engine over by hand and everything seemed to be turning ok, but even if the belt had slipped the started would still spin.
I'm at a lose to it now
Thanks to everyone who has helped
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squonk
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Sept 25, 2017 9:39:40 GMT
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By 'turning the key on' it means actually turn the key to the point where it is cranking the engine, not just to the dashboard lights being on. On some common rail diesels the injection system will not operate unless the ECU detects a crank demand signal from the key position.
Did you try the earth trick? Poor earth would also mean no electrics at the engine.
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71
2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet
1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon
1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump)
1992 Toyota HiLux Surf
1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty)
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty)
2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager
2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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Sept 25, 2017 11:42:41 GMT
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barty
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Sept 25, 2017 19:26:13 GMT
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right, I took a jump pack and connected it straight to the starter and got nothing so in my mind the starter is knackered. I guess the belt going was totally unconnected to the starter fault.
Will be changing the starter in the next few days and ill let everyone know the results.
sqonk
No I didn't turn the key to the cranking stage so you might have something there and a lesson learnt
THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED, ill update when I get anything to report
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barty
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Sept 27, 2017 18:01:46 GMT
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new starter fitted and at least it will turn over but it wont fire, now looking at to see if the cam belt has jumped a tooth or two.
I can only think that as the aux belt went a bit of it had got under the bottom pulley of the cam belt.
Just seems strange that all these have happened together.
Belt was changed around 40k miles ago so its near to be changed anyway.
I'm back at work for a few days but got someone checking the cam belt and checking if the pullies are still in line
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barty
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Sept 29, 2017 11:34:13 GMT
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found the remains of the aux belt under the cam belt, which had resulted in the cam belt jumping 3 teeth.
lucky that no other damage was done and now runs ok.
Starter motor was "just one of those things" which happened to go at the same time.
Had to replace the battery as well as it was on its last legs.
so to date because of the fan belt going it cost
new belt
new starter
new battery
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squonk
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Sept 29, 2017 13:11:16 GMT
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Glad you got it running. I'd be inclined to replace the cam belt too in case it has suffered some damage. £30 belt vs wrecked engine...... Hmmm
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71
2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet
1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon
1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump)
1992 Toyota HiLux Surf
1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty)
1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty)
2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager
2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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