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Sept 20, 2017 11:05:40 GMT
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We are the last country in Europe with a kit car industry, one of very few who allow cars to be modified at all Yes this is why there are almost no cars at Worthersee every year, it is just empty pretty much with a handful of Brits that made the journey as we are the only country that are allowed to modify our cars.
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Sept 20, 2017 11:06:56 GMT
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Download the manual and have a read. Edging trim will fix most sharp edges and harnesses are allowed as long as mounting point location is correct. I think a lot of what is intimidating about IVA is because it is so harsh for Hot Rod builds and so it has this reputation in modifying circles, there comes a point where the majority of cars will pass the 'hard' bits of IVA simply because of when they were built.
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Last Edit: Sept 20, 2017 11:07:17 GMT by HoTWire
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Sept 20, 2017 12:54:44 GMT
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I will have 2 mot exempt cars after this, my elan is on the road and mot'd lazt year it did less than 1000 miles I will probably get it tested every other year.
The other is ouf minor which has been off the road for 10 years or so and the subject of a full bare shell restoration, alarmingly it seems I will now be able to insure it, tax it for free and off we go, Don't even know why I bothered with repairing it !
In reality it will be usefull to be able to do a couple of local shakedown drives but it will then go for a test.
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Sept 20, 2017 13:17:03 GMT
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Please accept my apologies to those with Q plated vehicles, no offence was meant, it just demonstrates my lack of understanding and experience of that particular field.
And thanks for the replies about my car, piece of mind.
Matt
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Last Edit: Sept 20, 2017 13:18:28 GMT by Granadamk2
1982 Granada 2.8 Ghia X - SOLD ☹️ 1976 Mini Clubman Estate - Getting there slowly.
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Sept 20, 2017 13:25:54 GMT
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In reality it will be usefull to be able to do a couple of local shakedown drives but it will then go for a test. I wonder if there will be a market for a kind of non-MOT-test-test at specialist garages, for the more non-mechanically inclined classic owner. A way for peopel to get a check up even if they don't get a certificate at the end of it, or maybe they do as a kind of maintenance record. I always thought IVA stuff was an opportunity for someone, whether it is as a supplier of E-marked glass for certain cars, or replacement parts that will work with the whole radius thing, or whatever it is (a center of expertise and understanding of the issues of IVA for car builders), kit car people seem to have it sorted. The whole thing about people suddenly having to worry about IVA and 8 point rules, those things haven't changed. If you think your car will need to be IVA'd and get a Quality plate with this new MOT system, well it always needed to have that. Talking of Q Plates Haynes Breakfast Club 6th August 2017 by Retro Rides, on Flickr
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edk83
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Sept 20, 2017 15:06:21 GMT
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No engine cover or wheel guards? How did it pass an iva to get assigned a Q plate??
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Sept 20, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
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No engine cover or wheel guards? How did it pass an iva to get assigned a Q plate?? Probably fitted on the day, just for that day lol.
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samta22
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Stuck in once more...
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Sept 20, 2017 16:33:46 GMT
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I wonder if there will be a market for a kind of non-MOT-test-test at specialist garages, for the more non-mechanically inclined classic owner. A way for peopel to get a check up even if they don't get a certificate at the end of it, or maybe they do as a kind of maintenance record... I said exactly this to my brother in law last night, certainly an opportunity for the classic car friendly garages to consider. Either that or we may see specific car clubs offering specialist single-make advice through a pool of experts as opposed to the generic MOT check points. May mean that more is picked up than at a standard MOT due to the greater knowledge of what goes wrong on a particular car.
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'37 Austin 7 '56 Austin A35 '58 Austin A35 '65 Triumph Herald 12/50 '69 MGB GT '74 MGB GT V8'73 TA22 Toyota Celica restoration'95 Mercedes SL320 '04 MGTF 135 'Cool Blue' (Mrs' Baby) '05 Land Rover Discovery 3 V8 '67 Abarth 595 (Mrs' runabout) '18 Disco V
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vulgalour
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Sept 20, 2017 16:49:40 GMT
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Adversity is the mother of all invention.
Rather than us all shouting in the wind with this one, is there an official body to contact specifically with questions about your individual car? That way people can send a message, get an official response, and post that here instead of relying on hearsay and conjecture.
Rather than relying on folks like Blackpopracing to do all the hard work and answer questions based on his experience. It's far better to get it from the horse's mouth and figure out what the real limitations are, how they apply to your project and push for sensible changes where required.
One question I have is where someone stands when purchasing a second-hand modified car where they don't actually know what's been altered from factory. I imagine there's performance modifications that can be done invisibly and cheaply, some of which you'll only know if you dismantle an engine and measure internal components.
So no, modifying isn't doomed. There's just some different obstacles to overcome. The instances of vehicles being forced off the road because of legislation against their modifications seem rare and, when it happens, it does seem to be to vehicles that were pushing their luck a bit anyway.
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Sept 20, 2017 17:35:49 GMT
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After a brief skim of the 300odd page doc have decided to try and get the mini through an iva next year. Might need some assistance with ideas to resolve some of the bits which I have already identified that aren't so easy to fix from the knowledgeable forum members and will start a separate thread to discuss these. If the mini can do it then anything else should be possible
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Last Edit: Sept 20, 2017 17:36:03 GMT by miker33
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froggy
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Sept 20, 2017 18:00:59 GMT
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Out of the 40-50 pre 60 cars I used to see every year for test some who still bring their daily modern cars in exactly none have ever been back for any sort of inspection even just to run it through the brake rollers to make sure they're still working . Most are enthusiast owned and well maintained but it's not like the mot was a very high standard to start with
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Sept 20, 2017 18:23:57 GMT
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I've been thinking of splitting the Questions Section out to have a DVLA/VOSA/DSVA or whatever they are board for questions regarding registration, importing, IVA, etc. etc. Suspect no would be a good time for that. Drop a like/thumbs up thing on this post if you'd like it (seeing as I can't make a poll mid thread).
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Sept 20, 2017 19:07:28 GMT
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I've been thinking of splitting the Questions Section out to have a DVLA/VOSA/DSVA or whatever they are board for questions regarding registration, importing, IVA, etc. etc. Suspect no would be a good time for that. Drop a like/thumbs up thing on this post if you'd like it (seeing as I can't make a poll mid thread). The only problem with this idea (and on the face of it, it's a good one) Is that whilst these government agencies publish the rules, a lot of the time they are open to interpretation. And it's no good phoning DVLA etc for clarification of a technical point, you could phone 10 times, speak to 10 different people and get 10 different answers, none of which are actually correct! Before I gave it up as a bad job in about 2011 I had a whole drawer full of T shirts from talking to DVLA about registration of my modified Toledo re engine provenance etc. There is, apparently, a very small department at DVLA who DO know the answers to technical questions, but I suspect it's one little old lady who's usually off sick! I've never found it myself! Steve
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steveg
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Sept 20, 2017 19:46:30 GMT
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There is, apparently, a very small department at DVLA who DO know the answers to technical questions, but I suspect it's one little old lady who's usually off sick! I've never found it myself! Steve I think I spoke to her about my Transit ! I think she has been the only person who has ever offered to find the answer to a question I had. I even tried to get her phone number but she said I would have to speak to whoever got the call next time. I paid for an ID check on one car I own and the reply came with a number to ring if I had any questions. I did have one and the department involved were very helpful. There used to be an ex DVLA guy who used to help kit car owners get their cars through the test. Someone with full knowledge of the rules would be very busy I think.
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Darkspeed
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Sept 20, 2017 20:17:04 GMT
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No engine cover or wheel guards? How did it pass an iva to get assigned a Q plate?? Probably fitted on the day, just for that day lol. I did not look when that particular car was registered but remember that Q plates were around long before SVA and (B)IVA
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Sept 20, 2017 20:25:15 GMT
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The Q plate just meant the vehicle was of indeterminate age, never any shame in that on a kit, it's just a plate. I don't know about new kits so much but I do know the DVLA can be very intrusive when it comes to applying for log books on older kits that have been stuffed into garages for years. The Legerra in my build thread had been off the road since '91 and they grilled me over that. Despite sending numerous photo's of the car with the roof off it still has 'coupe' on the V5. Despite all the red tape involved I too will be submitting a car for IVA at some point as it lost it's ID back in the early 2000's and has proved untraceable. Got a few more to restore first though.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR 1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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scimjim
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Sept 20, 2017 22:34:55 GMT
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After a brief skim of the 300odd page doc have decided to try and get the mini through an iva next year. Might need some assistance with ideas to resolve some of the bits which I have already identified that aren't so easy to fix from the knowledgeable forum members and will start a separate thread to discuss these. If the mini can do it then anything else should be possible It would be worth registering on locostbuilders - dozens of people who have built their own cars to IVA standards and know the manual inside out.
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vanpeebles
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Sept 21, 2017 7:29:43 GMT
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Part of me wonders if we are starting to see the beginning of the end of every day use of traditional old cars. In ten years time we will be knocking on for 2030, in another 10 after that I fully expect most cars to be self driven and probably electric.
If you want to self drive an old petrol powered car I can see you having to go some place special to do so, or pay a small fortune for the privilege.
Other than museum pieces, there just doesn't seem to be a place in the future for them.
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Sept 21, 2017 7:42:00 GMT
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Part of me wonders if we are starting to see the beginning of the end of every day use of traditional old cars. In ten years time we will be knocking on for 2030, in another 10 after that I fully expect most cars to be self driven and probably electric. People were saying the same thing 10 years ago. Don't believe the futurologists or this 'no petrol cars' thing. The exact wording is 'no conventional combustion engine' which means any kind of assisted hybrid will pass the muster. Electric cars aren't a "solved" thing by any measure, even though they are getting better and are very cool and I want one. Self driving cars are certainly not as advanced as certain companies and people would have you believe. I'm sure a time will come when the combustion engined car is treated the same way as riding a horse.
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Dez
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Sept 21, 2017 7:43:37 GMT
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Other than museum pieces, there just doesn't seem to be a place in the future for them. There is, that place is called Sweden. As the DfT are busy changing our rules to make it more difficult to own modified cars, to fit in with some perceived EU ruling that doesn't actually exist, the Swedish SFRO are busy making it easier for owners to modify and enjoy their vehicles, as it is viewed as stimulating their economy as any money spent on such vehicles largely stays within the country. They've recently decreased the MOT exempt age, and modified chassis are freely allowed, as long as there's about 70% of the original left- so clips and C notching/back halving are legal. They're currently in the process of removing the requirement for E-marked indicators and rear lenses, so you don't have to change your lights on older cars to something out of place for a car to comply with their regs, plus upping the amount of outright power you are allowed. On top of that, the rules are the same for existing registered cars and fresh imports, unlike here. Put it this way, if they do push this any further, I know where I'm going.
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Last Edit: Sept 21, 2017 7:47:42 GMT by Dez
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