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Aug 10, 2017 12:22:16 GMT
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I'm looking at fitting a Weber carb to my Sunny.
As per advice and guidelines, I ran a compression test on the engine yesterday. Here are the results I got,
Cylinder 1: 130 PSI
Cylinder 2: 130 PSI
Cylinder 3: 110 PSI
Cylinder 4: 100 PSI
According to Haynes, normal pressure for an E16 cylinder is 195 PSI and minimum is 156.
So is there something I should be looking at prior to fitting the Weber?
And those norms aside, is the difference between cylinders 1 & 2, and the other two cylinders to be concerned about?
Where to start?
The car goes, so there's that but obviously, I'm not going to consider ripping off the old carb - especially as I've had a hard time finding service kits for that hitachi - if it's not worth it.
All advice appreciated
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Nissan N13 owner | Mechanical neonate since 2016 (Give me all the info)
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Aug 10, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
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Couple of questions for you.
How many times did you test each cylinder i normally do each one, then repeat each at least one more time. If results are same (or very close) that will do, if not do again until you get pretty constant readings.
Did you hold the throttle fully open while cranking (you get low readings if you do not do this) which is a common mistake made by people. It basically isn't letting enough air in for the engine to compress. Also were all 4 plugs out to aid the engine cranking speed?
Also you do not know how accurate your gauge is compared to someone elses. So take that into consideration when comparing max figures, the difference between cylinders on your gauge is the main thing to look at. I'd say 30psi missing is something to look into, its not a huge loss so not a major failure, but its more than i would like to see between cylinders.
Start with testing all again with throttle (and choke if you have one) fully open to let engine breath. DO each one a couple of times and write down the exact figures (not rounded up/down to the nearest 10psi)
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Last Edit: Aug 10, 2017 13:07:28 GMT by Mantasport
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Aug 10, 2017 13:57:29 GMT
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Awesome - thanks for the tips!
I double checked the cylinders that were different but no, I didn't check all four twice.
And, no - I didn't hold the throttle open.
Totally get the ideal about being more about differences than actual readings.
Back to it, I go!
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Nissan N13 owner | Mechanical neonate since 2016 (Give me all the info)
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Aug 10, 2017 13:59:25 GMT
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/\/\/\ Plus watching how the pressure is arrived at can tell you whether it's rings or valves. If it's 3 or 4 progressively smaller jumps then that's normal and if lower than the ideal pressure it's likely to be rings, especially if you puts some oil in and repeat and it improves. Valves are indicated if it goes in 1 or 2 biggish jumps and then a series of 10 lbs jumps.
Those figures are not the end of the world but are indicative of the decline of its health. I would agree with you concerns about fitting a better carb wouldn't be worth while.
Colin
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Aug 10, 2017 16:06:53 GMT
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all the plugs same colour? does it smoke /fail mot on emmisions etc?
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Aug 10, 2017 18:11:02 GMT
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OK, so just got in from this afternoon's tinker and have the results of the second test. As suggested - I did two tests on each cylinder,
Cylinder 1: 155 & 155 PSI
Cylinder 2: 140 & 145 PSI
Cylinder 3: 127 & 127 PSI - But then I ran this again and it come out with 140 & 140 PSI - maybe I hadn't screwed in the guage properly.
Cylinder 4: 145 & 145 PSI
So a lot more consistent - 15 PSI difference across the lot. Thanks for the throttle tip, Mantasport.
colnerov - alas, I didn't have a spare pair of eyes to help, so couldn't say how the readings were reached. Good to know though.
steveo - plugs are all the same and look fine. The MOT emissions test came back well within the limits. Doesn't smoke either.
So given all that, do you all reckon I should go ahead with the carb swap?
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Nissan N13 owner | Mechanical neonate since 2016 (Give me all the info)
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Aug 10, 2017 19:23:58 GMT
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id carry on- nothing to worry about too much , not perfect but hardly worth rebuilding if its running fine and passing mots with no probs, wait till its oiling up the plugs or leaving a smoke screen
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Aug 10, 2017 20:42:11 GMT
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Yeah thats looks better, i'd carry on with the carb swop with those numbers.
Its very easy to get a small difference with how tight you screw the gauge into the plug hole
Oh and for clarity when i said do them twice i meant test 1,2,3,4 then start again with 1,2,3,4. That way you have removed the gauge from the hole and re-fitted it before the 2nd test on the cylinder. Which should eliminate the posibility of not having the rubber seal fully down.
So your above test would have given 127psi then 140psi on cylinder 3, which would have had me check a 3rd time due to the large difference (removing and refitting said gauge) then if we got a 140 again it would show the 127psi was a testing issue rather than engine fault.
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Aug 10, 2017 20:47:36 GMT
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Ah, I see what you mean - maybe I'll give it another check to be absolutely sure. I did just test, vent the pressure, then test again, so the gauage was always screwed in between tests. Onwards though - thanks for the reassurance. Just need to figure out how which pipes go where on the carb
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Nissan N13 owner | Mechanical neonate since 2016 (Give me all the info)
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Aug 11, 2017 22:05:53 GMT
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Also bear in mind that the manufacturers figures are for a calibrated pressure gauge. 'DIY' gauges can be a long way out (15 - 20 psi is not uncommon). It's quite conceivable that the figures are closer to what they should be than the gauge is actually indicating.
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Full throttle compression test you hope to see about 10 per cent or not that much difference between highest and lowest figures tested. I'm assuming good seal on tester and plugs still installed. Obviously take manufacturers spec's into account.
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Also can I just stress you cannot check engine compression if you take the plugs out, come on guys!!
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And a good battery so you have a consistent cranking speed.
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Also can I just stress you cannot check engine compression if you take the plugs out, come on guys!! So how do you think a compresion gauge is fitted if you do not take the plug out? ?
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