Rebel
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Jun 27, 2017 17:44:00 GMT
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A couple of years or so ago, my wife owned a 1968 Land Rover, she was planning to restore it back to its original design as the previous owners had added defender front panelwork. The electrics needed replacing and she had started on them. Then my Hilux Surf overheated cracking the cylinder head in the process. With no money to spend on a replacement head, something had to give and, my wife offered to sell her Land Rover in order to fund the repair of my Surf. So, I obviously then owed her a Land Rover! Fast forward to last summer ( if you can fast forward to a previous time ), and while looking on the bay of fleas I found this, with less than a minute to go, I quickly sent the owner a message, which I never received a reply too. Thinking that it must have been sold I forgot about it as you do. A couple of weeks later it reappeared on the bay of fleas again, this time as well as the same description as last time it also stated that the owner had now moved to Glasgow to go to university and as he couldn't take it with him it was taking up space in his dads factory. This time I managed to get in touch with the owner and made arrangements to go and view it. Mrs Rebel liked the look of it from the advert as well. A couple days later we were stood in front of it a few miles from home, the owners father explained that it had been converted to a 200TDI engine before his son had bought it and it had recently passed its MOT after having two new tyres fitted at the back due to the old ones having perished side walls. He also explained that his son had removed the front propshaft to help with fuel economy (?? ). He assured us that it did start, run and drive but he was temporarily unable to fire it up as his brother had both the keys and the logbook, but was at home with laryngitis and unable to talk at all, so he couldn't ring him to find out where they were. I had a good look around it and under it, poked and prodded a few places and made sure the bulkhead was nice and solid. By this time, Mrs Rebel wanted it of course. As it all seemed to be solid with extensive welding already completed and, knowing that the owner needed to sell it, no to mention it being in the way in its current position, I made an offer. The owners father phoned his son and in his words " well, I am surprised, he said yes! ". A deposit was left and another couple days later we returned to pay the balance and collect the car. We were informed that the current owner had been told that it's believed to have had some form of royal connection, there's no documentation to prove this though and as yet I haven't found anything to suggest it might be true. Apparently, the royal connection is supposed to have something to do with the rear side windows looking like this, If anyone knows anything about the style of rear side windows, I'd love to know. We've decoded the VIN number and so far only managed to find out that when it was built back in '67, there was a special order placed for two modifications. There's no evidence yet as to what the modifications were, but we think that the windows were one of them. Mrs Rebel drove it home as I followed, on the way, one of the headlight chrome trim rings fell off, I inadvertently drove over it and squashed it, so having paid my debt of owing Mrs Rebel a Land Rover, I now owe her a headlight trim ring!
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1968 Dodge Charger 1985 Chevrolet Camaro 1993 Toyota Hilux Surf 2001 Ford Mondeo
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Jun 27, 2017 18:44:51 GMT
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That looks very nice! She should be well pleased
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dazcapri
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Jun 27, 2017 18:59:00 GMT
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If it's of any use I have a genuine 2/2a workshop manual you can have,its oily/dirty but useable pm me an address if you want it
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edessex
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1967 Land Rover series IIAedessex
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Jun 27, 2017 21:19:07 GMT
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Looks very nice, don't recall seeing windows like that before.
I know if you fit the TDI lumps you can snap half shafts, hence why some people don't fit the turbo when they fit the engine, if yours still has the turbo, perhaps it kept breaking front half shafts, so they removed the prop?
Or the transfer box is stuck in 4WD...
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Rebel
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That looks very nice! She should be well pleased She is, she loves it
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1968 Dodge Charger 1985 Chevrolet Camaro 1993 Toyota Hilux Surf 2001 Ford Mondeo
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Rebel
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If it's of any use I have a genuine 2/2a workshop manual you can have,its oily/dirty but useable pm me an address if you want it That's great, and such a wonderful offer. Thank you. PM on its way
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Rebel
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Looks very nice, don't recall seeing windows like that before. I know if you fit the TDI lumps you can snap half shafts, hence why some people don't fit the turbo when they fit the engine, if yours still has the turbo, perhaps it kept breaking front half shafts, so they removed the prop? Or the transfer box is stuck in 4WD... It's the windows that are part of the belief / rumour that there could be some sort if royal connection to it. The turbo is still fitted, no evidence or history of snapped half shafts and the transfer box isn't stuck in 4WD, so we all good there
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logicaluk
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Nice landy. I think the front prop is out as he said to reduce fuel economy as you wont have freewheeling hubs on the front. sounds like you've got a really nice one. Dan
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Last Edit: Jun 28, 2017 8:15:56 GMT by logicaluk
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dazcapri
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Jun 28, 2017 18:55:41 GMT
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If it's of any use I have a genuine 2/2a workshop manual you can have,its oily/dirty but useable pm me an address if you want it That's great, and such a wonderful offer. Thank you. PM on its way No bother mate it might as well be used I've sent it royal mail 2nd class hope you get it OK
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Rebel
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Jun 28, 2017 21:25:48 GMT
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That's great, and such a wonderful offer. Thank you. PM on its way No bother mate it might as well be used I've sent it royal mail 2nd class hope you get it OK That really is very good of you, thanks again.
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Nice landy. I think the front prop is out as he said to reduce fuel economy as you wont have freewheeling hubs on the front. sounds like you've got a really nice one. Dan To be honest, freewheel hubs or removing the front propshaft make absolutely zero difference to the economy with a Tdi conversion. Provided you're not doing racing changes the driveline holds up pretty well, although they will find any weaknesses in there pretty quickly.
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hario
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Jun 29, 2017 17:58:14 GMT
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If they're 7" sealed beam Lucas headlights you can get new chrome rings from Minispares.co.uk as minis have the same, they also do stainless ones..
That's a really nice minty green-blue-minty colour by the way
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*S202 C300TD Wagon* Installed: OM606 & 722.6, Evo6 IC, S600AMG callipers & 345mm rotors. No catz. Leatherish seats.. Rust.. Future: DIY manifolds & turbo compound build. Built IP, & some kind of software. Less rust..
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Rebel
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Jun 29, 2017 22:43:26 GMT
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It doesn't have freewheeling hubs up front, although not fitted when we bought it, the front propshaft was sitting inside it. So first job after a good poke around it as you do when another car arrives, was to buy the correct nuts and bolts to fit the propshaft. Also ordered at the same time was a new rear view mirror ( there was no sign of one, although the bolt holes were there ). Needed a new rubber gaiter for the prop as well, the old one was split two thirds of the way round. A few days later, new rubber gaiter fitted, propshaft fitted and ready to go. Until we spotted the steady drip, drip, drip from the front pinion seal! So, new seal ordered along with a seal puller ( because I didn't have one and it was a new tool to buy, lol ). A few days later, propshaft removed, old pinion seal removed. New seal fitted, prop refitted and front diff topped up with oil. No leaks this time. Maybe this is why the front prop had been removed? Who knows. Anyhoo, jobs done, ready to go for a drive. Mrs Rebel gets in, starts up, reverses off the drive and after I jump ( well, climb ) into the passenger seat, we head off............ Now, the idea was, go and fill up with diesel then a little run for the hell of it. As most of you will know, old Land Rovers are a bit, well, agricultural to say the least. That was to be expected. It's noisy, again to be expected It rattles, squeaks and is very bouncy. Expected or not, this can all be taken care of through time. So we're all good then, err, no, not quite! In total, we managed a brief drive round the block, mainly due to a spongy brake pedal and very stiff steering. Not to mention an all round inability to actually drive it safely at anything over 20mph ( if that ). The stiff steering wasn't because Mrs Rebel wasn't used to '60s keep fit steering as opposed to modern power steering. It was due to a seized steering relay - more on that later. Feeling unstable at anything over 20mph or there abouts - after a very close and lengthy look and poke about underneath - proved to be caused by the fact that all the suspension appears to be the original parts from 1967, one interesting item that I hadn't noticed before was this, The first pic shows the difference in height between the two rear leaf springs. The second pic shows the original and correct spring hanger in the foreground and the non original and incorrect two lengths of flat steel bar used as a spring hanger in the back ground. Another parts order was placed, consisting of, 4 shock absorbers 1 rear spring hanger 2 steering arms 4 tie rod ends 1 steering damper and steering damper to chassis bracket 1 steering relay 2 swivel oil seals I still need to investigate the spongy brake pedal fully, my current thinking is that one or more wheel cylinders are leaking, if that proves to be the cause of the spongy pedal, I'll just change all four, better safe than sorry, then at least I'll know they're all ok. Oh, and the side windscreen wiper doesn't work either. So, just one or two jobs to do then! Overall though, it's solid has had some money and time spent on it. One of the previous owners has taken the time to paint it, inside and out. Complete the engine conversion and get it running. Whether they've run out of money, time or enthusiasm when it came to the suspension isn't known, but, it doesn't seem to be a lot of work to make it a better drive than it is now and with the 200 TDI engine, it should be able to keep up with modern traffic as well.
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Rebel
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Jun 29, 2017 22:54:02 GMT
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If they're 7" sealed beam Lucas headlights you can get new chrome rings from Minispares.co.uk as minis have the same, they also do stainless ones.. That's a really nice minty green-blue-minty colour by the way Sorted for the headlight trim ring, thanks for the useful info though. Both Mrs Rebel and me like the colour, it stands out ( almost glows in the dark, lol ) seems to suit it. I've often thought that the colour was what prevented it from selling quicker when it was on the bay of fleas. The last owner had advertised it on there three times before we bought it. If it had been bronze green, I think it may have sold a lot quicker. No idea what shade of green it is, but it seems to work well and we have no plans to change it
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Jun 29, 2017 23:18:30 GMT
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Looks a nice tidy base that.
I loved my '66 2A and had it best part of 10 years. But it had to go as a) it was not really ideal for the daily Manchester commute I'd started doing and b) when the landlord of the pub whose car park I was allowed to use started muttering about the number of spaces I was starting to take up.
I tried to tell him that it actually brought customers in. Mainly so they could come over and take the wee out of me being under it, instead of having a pint with them!
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Looks like someone has fitted a set of parabolic springs at some point. They're not unknown for leaving the vehicle leaning to one side -depending on manufacturer- once fitted. It wouldn't surprise me to discover that the home made shackle on the rear was a DIY attempt to make it sit level. Steering relays are a pain in the to work with, siezed ones can be dealt with in a variety of ways. The relay shaft is held in place by 2 sets of fibre bushes, with a strong spring between them which when it's all pushed together gives a reasonable preload. If it's lost all its oil and it's run dry then it'll display the symptoms you've described. Knowing that aftermarket replacements have been known to shear the relay shaft -I've dealt with several- and are an utter pig to remove, trying to sort the original in situ isn't a bad idea. I've had sucess in the past removing 2 bolts from the top of the relay body -opposite corners- and one from the bottom before (very slowly) filling it with diesel and working the steering wheel lock to lock (drop the drag link to make it easier) and with some perseverance the relay will begin to free up. After which replace the bottom bolt, and fill it -again very slowly- through the top hole with the correct spec oil. Worth noting also that the little tin retaining ring on the bottom of the crossmember can work loose and allow sideways movement when load is applied which will contribute to steering wander, along with the top two securing bolts into the chassis, which doesn't help either. Keep in mind there are six track rod ends in the steering system -two more between steering box and relay- and that properly set up the Series steering system doesn't really need a steering damper as the relay and Railko bush setup on the top swivel pins provides the necessary resistance. Dampers were generally only fitted to Forward Control models and others which were expected to run higher total weights, or larger tyres. Hope that's helpful.
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jamesd1972
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+1 for checking that the relay has some oil and replacing track rod ends and checking the swivels. On the brakes does it have the bigger front drums from a lwb (11") ? If not I'd be looking at getting some. We bought a flea bay special whole front axle from a Lwb and rebuilt it on the bench then swapped it over. With a servo and twin circuit brake cylinder it stops pretty well. (Will lock all 4 wheels in a panic !). The Land Rover forums have some good info but I found them a bit rough and ready at times- that's why I lurk over here. Just be warned that a woman in a series is a man magnet apparently - my wife reports back a lot more friendly interest than I get..... Good luck James
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jamesd1972
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Oh and another thought on the front prop if it is slightly out of balance it can add to the general where's that speed related vibration coming from. If I forget to turn the freewheeling hubs you can tell the difference in noise levels with everything at the front spinning round and I think it's mostly the prop. James
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Rebel
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That's great, and such a wonderful offer. Thank you. PM on its way No bother mate it might as well be used I've sent it royal mail 2nd class hope you get it OK As can be seen below, the workshop manual arrived yesterday nice and safe. thanks again
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Rebel
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Looks like someone has fitted a set of parabolic springs at some point. They're not unknown for leaving the vehicle leaning to one side -depending on manufacturer- once fitted. It wouldn't surprise me to discover that the home made shackle on the rear was a DIY attempt to make it sit level. Didn't realise they were parabolic springs, we'll see what happens when I get the shackle changed over.
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