froggy
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Jun 22, 2017 18:48:16 GMT
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I used you have maybe 40 or 50 pre 60 cars for test each year and a lot of them rods and custom stuff , most coming for several years and exactly none have ever come in even for a basic Brake test 6 yrs on . Read into that what you want but some of them were pretty shonky back in 2010 just scraping through each year . A simple check on tyres and brakes should have been retained for public safety at least
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froggy
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Jun 22, 2017 19:35:43 GMT
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Actually I did come across a pop at a meet that I'd failed in 2010 with a very badly worn steering rack that never came back and it must have been 3 or more years on it was still not sorted . Much like traffic wardens mot testers are a necessary evil .
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Jun 22, 2017 20:11:42 GMT
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The testing of historic vehicles has recently been out for consolation by the Department of Transport - The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs have responded by polling which of the options that their members would prefer before responding to the DoT - hence I think that you will find some changes are abound over the next 24 months to the current pre 1960 MOT exempt ruling.
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Last Edit: Jun 22, 2017 20:17:58 GMT by Deleted
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Jun 22, 2017 20:58:20 GMT
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if you believe that then so be it. keep living in your bubble. I don't think anyone is living in a bubble there is no reason to get an MOT certificate for a vehicle that doesn't require one. Most test stations will do a pre mot inspection which is essentially a test without the paperwork, does that make the car any less safe than having an mot? Surely if you have your vehicle checked by a garage it is as good as having an MOT without the unnecessary cost. Unless your local garage does a pre-MOT for free I'd suggest it's unlikely you'd get a pre-MOT done for less than the cost of a pukka MOT.
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Jun 22, 2017 21:52:12 GMT
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The testing of historic vehicles has recently been out for consolation by the Department of Transport - The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs have responded by polling which of the options that their members would prefer before responding to the DoT - hence I think that you will find some changes are abound over the next 24 months to the current pre 1960 MOT exempt ruling. one of the ideas put forward is to make mot exemption rolling 40 years to come inline with the tax exemption
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Jun 22, 2017 22:25:10 GMT
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its tested to a recognised standard rather than someones opinion. ) Please do tell more about this new style of MOT test which is done to a standard and the not the testers opinion?
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Jun 22, 2017 22:28:25 GMT
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i've spoken about this in my own threads, quite passionately
i don't see the MOT as a badge of entitlement to 12 months unhindered motoring. so for the same reasons a lack of MOT for pre 60 is also not a badge of entitlement to stop giving a fck.
i disklike, with a passion, the people who use the MOT as 12 month diagnostic tool for basic maintenance (you know the type of people, tyres warn to fabric on the shoulders, "oh no how much is that going to cost") fairly confident none of these people have chosen to drive pre 1960 vehicles just to make their life easier.
on the flipside i do REALLY value the opinions (and quite frankly the equipment) of a professionally trained individual who spends 40 hours a week scrutinising cars to minimum road safety standards.
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Last Edit: Jun 22, 2017 22:36:28 GMT by darrenh
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Jun 22, 2017 22:40:35 GMT
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The testing of historic vehicles has recently been out for consolation by the Department of Transport - The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs have responded by polling which of the options that their members would prefer before responding to the DoT - hence I think that you will find some changes are abound over the next 24 months to the current pre 1960 MOT exempt ruling. one of the ideas put forward is to make mot exemption rolling 40 years to come inline with the tax exemption That is only a small part of the consultation - there are suggestions that the DoT introduces some type of scaled down MOT either through existing MOT stations or that a self certified club type testing scheme is introduced Read / make of this want you want but I know of a car club that has it's own parts supply / parts dept - they are virtually the only source of supply of parts for the marque - since the pre 1960 MOT exemption was introduced the income from the sale of mainly MOT related parts / spares (brake / suspension / tyres etc) has fallen by ÂŁ10,000 for the year and has remained the same every year since Personally for what little time & effort it takes I would rather my pre 60's motors pay a visit to a classic friendly testing station every year
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its tested to a recognised standard rather than someones opinion. ) Please do tell more about this new style of MOT test which is done to a standard and the not the testers opinion? As devils advocate, yes an MOT is a recognised standard and yes there are rules that a tester should follow. But there is also pretty wide latitude in the interpretation of these rules, particularly with regard to matters of corrosion damage and also some glaring omissions and inadequacies in the test itself. And no 2 testers will give the same test, so it is somewhat a matter of opinion! So you are both right, sort of! In most parts of the country, an MOT is cheaper than paying a garage to check the car over, both have advantages and disadvantages. A check by a scrupulous garage may involve dismantling for inspection that an MOT tester is not ALLOWED to do, a quick once over by an UNscrupulous garage is worse than useless! At least with an MOT, you know more or less where you stand and the MOT does include a roller brake test which most non MOT garages are not equipped to perform. Steve
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Jun 24, 2017 21:40:29 GMT
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I take an average of 5 cars a week for MOT. Whether it belongs to a new customer, or an old friend, beyond the silly season things, lights, wiper blades, fuel cap etc, I don't check the car before I take it. Why not? Because you don't keep a dog and bark yourself! Since I don't pay for retests (within the standard 10 working days) it's no skin of my (or my customers) noses if it fails! I could check a car over and condemn parts that my tester would pass or vice versa. As noted above, pass or fail on any given item is down to the testers experience and opinion (not mine) and anyway I don't have the rollers and emission test equipment that would let me check cars fully to MOT standard. So I don't DO pre MOTs, I don't see why my customers should pay me to do something the MOT tester will do anyway! And give them the certificate to prove it!
Steve
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Jun 24, 2017 22:06:59 GMT
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The testing of historic vehicles has recently been out for consolation by the Department of Transport - The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs have responded by polling which of the options that their members would prefer before responding to the DoT - hence I think that you will find some changes are abound over the next 24 months to the current pre 1960 MOT exempt ruling. one of the ideas put forward is to make mot exemption rolling 40 years to come inline with the tax exemption I believe that this would have the effect of making a dangerous situation worse. I know it would here in New Zealand. Presumably the Police in the UK have the power to order obviously unroadworthy vehicles off the road until they have been fixed and passed an MOT or equivalent test?
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Jun 25, 2017 13:14:29 GMT
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one of the ideas put forward is to make mot exemption rolling 40 years to come inline with the tax exemption I believe that this would have the effect of making a dangerous situation worse. I know it would here in New Zealand. Presumably the Police in the UK have the power to order obviously unroadworthy vehicles off the road until they have been fixed and passed an MOT or equivalent test? I can only but agree with you and yes the police in the UK have the powers to prohibit any vehicle from road use that they feel or state is unroadworthy - regardless of it's test or test exemption status
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Rob M
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Jun 25, 2017 14:22:59 GMT
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I suspect that 3.7% of pre 60 cars are badly maintained and unfit for our roads. Id also suspect that 79.6% of 10 yr old and older Vauxhall Corsas and Ford Fiestas and other assorted cars which are the ragged to f**k choice of your average baseball cap wearing 19 yr old are possibly less fit to be on the roads than said pre 60s cars. The vast majority of pre 60s cars will be owned and driven by enthusiasts, they will be driven sparingly, bits that break and need changing will be rectified and will last for eons due to the sparing use and very low mileage. Most people who cant be arsed to maintain their cars and, maybe, not bother to insure them are driving around in clapped out Vectras and Mondeos which are bought for curse word all and run accordingly. Ive seen some horrendous old repmobiles on the road and some shockingly sh*te 'modified' cars that you would never put your kids into. I'm struggling to recall the last time I saw a pre 60s car out and about at Maccy Ds or Tescos. If people are so utterly anal about MOT testing then demand that cars aged between 10 and 15 yrs old be tested twice yearly as they are surely at virtual scrap/poggler status, right? Maybe, maybe not but I know what cars are the bigger menace. Everything in proportion.
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Last Edit: Jun 25, 2017 14:24:29 GMT by Rob M
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spacekadett
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F*cking take that Hans Brrix!!
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Jun 25, 2017 17:19:16 GMT
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I do still keep the 100E tested but I am a tester so it's no bother to run it in to work and chuck it on the ramp for a proper look underneath and do a roller brake check etc. It's all well and good saying most are well maintained and hardly used but I've seen some vintage stuff recently at shows with bald tyres ( which I know half the bangers in tescos car park probably have, but it doesn't make it right ), and ther was a chap doing the local rally's in a barn fresh Standard pickup that he'd literally just got running and put trade plates in the window!
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Mechanic's rule #1... If the car works, anything left on the floor after you finished wasn't needed in the first place
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Jun 25, 2017 17:50:17 GMT
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There is a considerable collection of classic car owning fools out there running classics with 15 / 20 year old tyres that have cracked sidewalls and because there is still 3mm of tread on the said tyre which has been knackered for the last 5 / 10 years they think it's all fine to keep them on the car regardless of the fact that the tyre is dead, regardless of the fact that it takes them 3 times the distance of a modern vehicle to come to a stop and regardless of any consideration for any other road user ! - rant over - I will go back to my rubbing down.
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Jun 25, 2017 19:12:05 GMT
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If a pre 60 car goes for MOT and fails, does that deem it off the road until it has a pass? Obviously those conscious of wanting our cars roadworthy would sort it but just wondering really.
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Jun 25, 2017 20:38:36 GMT
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No, it doesnt, but if the failed item makes the car unsafe / illegal to use then its not legal to use it until its safe again.
MOT status doesnt matter a bit in an MOT exempt vehicle but being unsafe does, whether with or without MOT.
Same as how in any more modern vehicle if it fails its test while the old test is still valid it doesnt make it illegal to drive the vehicle, however if the fail item makes the vehicle unsafe thats illegal, fix the fault and drive legally until the old test runs out if you like.
Having a valid MOT certificate and having a safe vehicle are two separate requirements.
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Jun 25, 2017 22:30:25 GMT
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...and ther was a chap doing the local rally's in a barn fresh Standard pickup that he'd literally just got running and put trade plates in the window! You can put trade plates on any turd that rolls can't you?
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You can in New Zealand as far as I know.
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...and ther was a chap doing the local rally's in a barn fresh Standard pickup that he'd literally just got running and put trade plates in the window! You can put trade plates on any turd that rolls can't you? Categorically NOT - Firstly the car must be MOT tested if not exempt from MOT status i.e. Less than 3 year old / pre 1960 etc - the only time you can legally move / drive an non MOT'd vehicle with trade plates is if the vehicle is being driven to / from a pre booked MOT (although this is blatantly abused - just stand at the gate after any motor auction and watch the trade drive away in expired MOT'd motors on trade plates that they only get MOT'd once the vehicle is sold off the forecourt) The only provision that trade plates provide for is the lack of vehicle excise duty / road tax - the vehicle must still be insured & MOT'd Trade plates are provided for the delivery / transport of vehicles within the motor trade to a place of repair, service or sale - you can also move an unregistered vehicle with them You can't just throw a set of trade plates on a motor then drive around in it has your daily thinking that you are above board To obtain trade plates you need to prove that you are legitimately trading within the motor industry and provide proof of motor trade insurance for the business - along with the required funds extracted by DVLA the plates are the property of the DVLA and can be removed from use by the DVLA at anytime for infringement of use
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Last Edit: Jun 26, 2017 6:35:30 GMT by Deleted
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