alex
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May 27, 2017 21:25:11 GMT
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Do not want to do this, at all, but have come to a personal cross roads with this. I will hate it when it goes and will probably never forgive myself(nor will my kids!) but hey ho. All the details on the listing here: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201937577820
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1974 Rover P6 4.6V8. Land Rover Series 2A 2.25 "overland spec". RRC V8. Celica GT4 ST205 Garrett 3071R 366BHP.
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May 28, 2017 13:17:33 GMT
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I recognise this car, as I'm the current highest bidder
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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May 28, 2017 23:19:43 GMT
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I recognise this car, as I'm the current highest bidder 5+ loooong days to go!
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OUTRUN
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May 28, 2017 23:53:10 GMT
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I recognise this car, as I'm the current highest bidder 5+ loooong days to go! No idea why people bid so early. Just bid your max at the death, if it hasn't already gone over. Easy. Still, I am glad they do. Currently selling an RS Turbo project on there. Lol.
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I need your help to get back to the year 1985.
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No idea why people bid so early. Just bid your max at the death, if it hasn't already gone over. Easy. Still, I am glad they do. Currently selling an RS Turbo project on there. Lol. On ebay I usually make my first bid 3 seconds before the auction closes, (with a healthy max). I usually win. I never overpay but often bag a bargain.
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OUTRUN
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May 29, 2017 15:58:19 GMT
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No idea why people bid so early. Just bid your max at the death, if it hasn't already gone over. Easy. Still, I am glad they do. Currently selling an RS Turbo project on there. Lol. On ebay I usually make my first bid 3 seconds before the auction closes, (with a healthy max). I usually win. I never overpay but often bag a bargain. Exactly my tactics, too. Operating any other way is just throwing money away.
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I need your help to get back to the year 1985.
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alex
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May 29, 2017 17:46:55 GMT
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I recognise this car, as I'm the current highest bidder Good luck with the bidding. If you want to come round and look to convince you further feel free to ask. Alex
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1974 Rover P6 4.6V8. Land Rover Series 2A 2.25 "overland spec". RRC V8. Celica GT4 ST205 Garrett 3071R 366BHP.
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alex
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May 29, 2017 17:48:21 GMT
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No idea why people bid so early. Just bid your max at the death, if it hasn't already gone over. Easy. Still, I am glad they do. Currently selling an RS Turbo project on there. Lol. Oi....don't put people off from bidding But yeah in fairness I'd tend to leave bids until the last minute. 10,000 views and 254 watchers...hopefully some of those are going to perk up before Saturday morning!
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1974 Rover P6 4.6V8. Land Rover Series 2A 2.25 "overland spec". RRC V8. Celica GT4 ST205 Garrett 3071R 366BHP.
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OUTRUN
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May 29, 2017 18:35:27 GMT
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No idea why people bid so early. Just bid your max at the death, if it hasn't already gone over. Easy. Still, I am glad they do. Currently selling an RS Turbo project on there. Lol. Oi....don't put people off from bidding But yeah in fairness I'd tend to leave bids until the last minute. 10,000 views and 254 watchers...hopefully some of those are going to perk up before Saturday morning! These people are too set in their ways to change now, mate. Worry not! 4200 views, 167 watchers, 20 bids and a day to go on my RST. I have had the early bidders, now I hope for an influx of lates and going by those stats, I am sure yours will, too! Lol.
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Last Edit: May 29, 2017 18:36:16 GMT by OUTRUN
I need your help to get back to the year 1985.
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alex
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May 29, 2017 18:49:23 GMT
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Good luck I'd like to add I have a spare box which is supposed to be good so you would not need to look far to source a replacement. Another spare box that is definitely dead but may be of use to rebuild, a spare starter, two spare dizzies, SD1 Rocker covers, P6 Rocker covers, a P5 sump, P6 chrome side strips, spare window slider, spare rear arches, spare set of grubby P6 V8 heads. And probably other things I will only remember when I have a rummage through. I also have a pair of rebuilt 3.5 V8 P6 heads, 3.5 V8 block and new pistons...don't really want to sell those (because I have a Range Rover that could do with a rebuild at some point in it's life)... but I could be persuaded! Alex
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1974 Rover P6 4.6V8. Land Rover Series 2A 2.25 "overland spec". RRC V8. Celica GT4 ST205 Garrett 3071R 366BHP.
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Rob M
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May 29, 2017 20:05:25 GMT
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On ebay I usually make my first bid 3 seconds before the auction closes, (with a healthy max). I usually win. I never overpay but often bag a bargain. Exactly my tactics, too. Operating any other way is just throwing money away. I'm the opposite. I don't dick about, I put in my bid , which will be the maximum i will go to and thats it. Ive never paid more for a car than I wanted to and 99% of the time Ive paid alot less as the nearest bidder has bid well below me leaving me with the winning bid only a tad more than theirs. I don't see how an early final bid, if you adhere to the amount you are prepared to pay, is any worse than a last second bid. You either want what you are biding on or you don't! Some you win, some you lose. PS: That car is fantastic!!!
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May 29, 2017 23:22:25 GMT
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Exactly my tactics, too. Operating any other way is just throwing money away. I'm the opposite. I don't dick about, I put in my bid , which will be the maximum i will go to and thats it. Ive never paid more for a car than I wanted to and 99% of the time Ive paid alot less as the nearest bidder has bid well below me leaving me with the winning bid only a tad more than theirs. I don't see how an early final bid, if you adhere to the amount you are prepared to pay, is any worse than a last second bid. You either want what you are biding on or you don't! Some you win, some you lose. PS: That car is fantastic!!! That's the way you roll Zeb but there are a lot of people who submit their maximum bid then come back days later to watch the auction close, see they've been outbid and increase their max bid which means you pay more to outbid them in the automated system. If you bid in the closing seconds of the auction they don't have time to adjust their max bid.
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Rob M
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I'm the opposite. I don't dick about, I put in my bid , which will be the maximum i will go to and thats it. Ive never paid more for a car than I wanted to and 99% of the time Ive paid alot less as the nearest bidder has bid well below me leaving me with the winning bid only a tad more than theirs. I don't see how an early final bid, if you adhere to the amount you are prepared to pay, is any worse than a last second bid. You either want what you are biding on or you don't! Some you win, some you lose. PS: That car is fantastic!!! That's the way you roll Zeb but there are a lot of people who submit their maximum bid then come back days later to watch the auction close, see they've been outbid and increase their max bid which means you pay more to outbid them in the automated system. If you bid in the closing seconds of the auction they don't have time to adjust their max bid. I understand that. Thing is, if you are going to go down the route of adjusting your maximum bid it then becomes pointless putting a maximum bid in the first place. I understand how last minute bidding can bag a bargain, it still works both ways though so long as the bid you initially put is is the only bid you put in. I'm sure last second bidders have tried to outbid me in the past but, unless it had exceeded my maximum bid, they were always going to get beaten by the auto bid. Smoke and mirrors and all that!
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If it is any help, we get (a little) bit of referral money from ebay. However only if a bid is put in within 24 hours of clicking from a link on here, which almost never happens. They used to do it for 7 days after a link was clicked, but they changed it (probably because it was costing them a fortune with everyone on the internet linking stuff to them).
Not that I expect anyone to change their habits, but I suspect that ebay expect people to only bid at the end (which is why they changed their referral stuff).
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May 30, 2017 10:19:03 GMT
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That's the way you roll Zeb but there are a lot of people who submit their maximum bid then come back days later to watch the auction close, see they've been outbid and increase their max bid which means you pay more to outbid them in the automated system. If you bid in the closing seconds of the auction they don't have time to adjust their max bid. I understand that. Thing is, if you are going to go down the route of adjusting your maximum bid it then becomes pointless putting a maximum bid in the first place. I understand how last minute bidding can bag a bargain, it still works both ways though so long as the bid you initially put is is the only bid you put in. I'm sure last second bidders have tried to outbid me in the past but, unless it had exceeded my maximum bid, they were always going to get beaten by the auto bid. Smoke and mirrors and all that! Hi Zeb, My apologies to alex for cluttering up his thread with ebay trivia. You are quite right in stating that Maximum bid should MEAN the maximum amount you're prepared to bid. In the real world lots of people will up their maximum as the auction progresses - particularly if it's a long auction. Bidders will re-assess what value the item actually holds for them particularly in the closing minutes of an auction. If they've been looking forward to acquiring or 'winning' that item for the past 10 days and see it slipping away, Bidders get carried away and will often bid more than the item is worth just to get the feeling of being a 'winner', (OK, I know it sounds daft but it happens). I will confess on prior purchases to having re-evaluated the worth of an item during the progress of the auction and consequently increasing my maximum bid although, being descended from Cardiganshire farming stock, I'm never likely to overpay. The maximum bid feature represents the maximum you're prepared to pay, not always the maximum you will pay. e.g. I'd put a WW1 medal on ebay 2 years ago, I know from research the value was in the region of £50.00-£70.00 and if I was advertising it as 'buy it now' it would have been priced within these parameters. The 'winning' bidder paid £155.00, I know the guy, he's a multi-millionaire militaria fanatic, (as it sold for more than I'd anticipated I made a decent donation to 2 military charities). This multi-millionaire collector wins whatever he bids for because he's got the deepest pockets and doesn't need to count the pennies. He's a very busy fellah and I don't see him sitting watching the closing minutes of all the auctions he's bidding on. The under-bidder was obviously prepared to pay more than twice the market value of the medal but had obviously set his maximum bid to £150.00. I won't know how much the winning bidder set as his maximum; £200.00? £300.00? £500.00? but I doubt the £155.00 came anywhere near his specified maximum bid, he's prepared to pay whatever to 'win' at all costs even when he's paying way over market value so he'd have set a figure which he knew no-one in possession of their sanity would outbid. I'm not sure you do understand the benefits of sneaking in with a very late bid so I'll attempt to elucidate. I've kept the auction scenarios to 2 bidders for the sake of simplifying the explanation and the scenario is a bit contrived to underline the point; Scenario 1: You have seen an item on ebay which you really really want. It's a 10 day auction. You assess the value of the item at £700.00 and decide you are prepared to pay up to £500.00. The start price is £150.00 [ Bidder 1] Bids £150.00 and sets a maximum bid of £250.00. [ You] Bid £155.00 and set a maximum bid of £500.00. The ebay automated bidding system immediately bids up to Bidder 1's maximum and then outbids in your favour. Highest bid stands at £255.00. [ Bidder 1] Closing 20 minutes of auction, sees he's going to lose the item and increases maximum bid to £300.00. He's immediately outbid on the automated bidding with your automated bid standing at £310.00. He again ups his maximum to £350.00 and is outbid in microseconds. The high bid stands at £360.00. You win and you haven't paid your maximum - you're happy with the outcome. Scenario 2: Same item. I'm bidding, I've made an assessment, like yourself, that the item is worth £700.00 and I'm prepared to bid up to £500.00. [ Bidder 1] Bids £150.00 and sets a maximum bid of £250.00. The auction runs until the final minutes with no other bids, Bidder 1 is salivating at the prospect of getting this item worth £700.00 for just £150.00. [ Me] With 3 seconds of the auction left to run I submit a bid of £155.00 with a maximum bid of £500.00. The automated bidding system instantaneously bids up to Bidder 1's maximum and outbids it. The high bid stands at £255.00. [ Bidder 1] Realises he's going to lose the item, desperately attempts to increase his maximum bid by £100.00 but the auction ends before he can complete this action. My winning bid stands at £255.00. We were both prepared to pay up to £500.00 - by sneaking in at the 12th hour I've stolen the item and paid £105.00 less than you'd have paid using your bidding style. Making a very late bid is just about paying as little as possible of the amount you are prepared to pay. OK, it's not always going to work out as it does in these contrived scenarios but I buy a lot from ebay and I'm sure that doing this has saved me quite a chunk of money over the years. No smoke & mirrors, just sneaky strategy! Chris
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Last Edit: May 30, 2017 10:29:11 GMT by MkX
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May 30, 2017 10:20:07 GMT
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If it is any help, we get (a little) bit of referral money from ebay. However only if a bid is put in within 24 hours of clicking from a link on here, which almost never happens. They used to do it for 7 days after a link was clicked, but they changed it (probably because it was costing them a fortune with everyone on the internet linking stuff to them). Not that I expect anyone to change their habits, but I suspect that ebay expect people to only bid at the end (which is why they changed their referral stuff). That's interesting, I had no idea that these sort of partnerships existed!
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May 30, 2017 10:29:53 GMT
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If it is any help, we get (a little) bit of referral money from ebay. However only if a bid is put in within 24 hours of clicking from a link on here, which almost never happens. They used to do it for 7 days after a link was clicked, but they changed it (probably because it was costing them a fortune with everyone on the internet linking stuff to them). Not that I expect anyone to change their habits, but I suspect that ebay expect people to only bid at the end (which is why they changed their referral stuff). That's interesting, I had no idea that these sort of partnerships existed! Yeah they are REALLY wide spread, they are a much better way of making income for a site than adverts personally. Content is king, so if the content isn't good then people don't click through. Works for the end user as they get to see interesting things, works for the partners as one gets sales and one gets a bit of referral money. We literally only do eBay now days as so much of our world revolves around it. Although I'm looking to hook up some partnerships with companies that we think can bring something to the site. I know it is a little bit like sausages (no one should see how they get made), but I believe in being up front about these things if they are relevant to discussion
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May 30, 2017 10:34:54 GMT
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That's interesting, I had no idea that these sort of partnerships existed! Yeah they are REALLY wide spread, they are a much better way of making income for a site than adverts personally. Content is king, so if the content isn't good then people don't click through. Works for the end user as they get to see interesting things, works for the partners as one gets sales and one gets a bit of referral money. We literally only do eBay now days as so much of our world revolves around it. Although I'm looking to hook up some partnerships with companies that we think can bring something to the site. I know it is a little bit like sausages (no one should see how they get made), but I believe in being up front about these things if they are relevant to discussion Good to know. I'm sure we all appreciate that you need to have some revenue generated in order to keep the site free to use for Members, just hadn't realised that this was one such stream.
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Rob M
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May 30, 2017 11:38:35 GMT
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I understand that. Thing is, if you are going to go down the route of adjusting your maximum bid it then becomes pointless putting a maximum bid in the first place. I understand how last minute bidding can bag a bargain, it still works both ways though so long as the bid you initially put is is the only bid you put in. I'm sure last second bidders have tried to outbid me in the past but, unless it had exceeded my maximum bid, they were always going to get beaten by the auto bid. Smoke and mirrors and all that! Hi Zeb, My apologies to alex for cluttering up his thread with ebay trivia. You are quite right in stating that Maximum bid should MEAN the maximum amount you're prepared to bid. In the real world lots of people will up their maximum as the auction progresses - particularly if it's a long auction. Bidders will re-assess what value the item actually holds for them particularly in the closing minutes of an auction. If they've been looking forward to acquiring or 'winning' that item for the past 10 days and see it slipping away, Bidders get carried away and will often bid more than the item is worth just to get the feeling of being a 'winner', (OK, I know it sounds daft but it happens). I will confess on prior purchases to having re-evaluated the worth of an item during the progress of the auction and consequently increasing my maximum bid although, being descended from Cardiganshire farming stock, I'm never likely to overpay. The maximum bid feature represents the maximum you're prepared to pay, not always the maximum you will pay. e.g. I'd put a WW1 medal on ebay 2 years ago, I know from research the value was in the region of £50.00-£70.00 and if I was advertising it as 'buy it now' it would have been priced within these parameters. The 'winning' bidder paid £155.00, I know the guy, he's a multi-millionaire militaria fanatic, (as it sold for more than I'd anticipated I made a decent donation to 2 military charities). This multi-millionaire collector wins whatever he bids for because he's got the deepest pockets and doesn't need to count the pennies. He's a very busy fellah and I don't see him sitting watching the closing minutes of all the auctions he's bidding on. The under-bidder was obviously prepared to pay more than twice the market value of the medal but had obviously set his maximum bid to £150.00. I won't know how much the winning bidder set as his maximum; £200.00? £300.00? £500.00? but I doubt the £155.00 came anywhere near his specified maximum bid, he's prepared to pay whatever to 'win' at all costs even when he's paying way over market value so he'd have set a figure which he knew no-one in possession of their sanity would outbid. I'm not sure you do understand the benefits of sneaking in with a very late bid so I'll attempt to elucidate. I've kept the auction scenarios to 2 bidders for the sake of simplifying the explanation and the scenario is a bit contrived to underline the point; Scenario 1: You have seen an item on ebay which you really really want. It's a 10 day auction. You assess the value of the item at £700.00 and decide you are prepared to pay up to £500.00. The start price is £150.00 [ Bidder 1] Bids £150.00 and sets a maximum bid of £250.00. [ You] Bid £155.00 and set a maximum bid of £500.00. The ebay automated bidding system immediately bids up to Bidder 1's maximum and then outbids in your favour. Highest bid stands at £255.00. [ Bidder 1] Closing 20 minutes of auction, sees he's going to lose the item and increases maximum bid to £300.00. He's immediately outbid on the automated bidding with your automated bid standing at £310.00. He again ups his maximum to £350.00 and is outbid in microseconds. The high bid stands at £360.00. You win and you haven't paid your maximum - you're happy with the outcome. Scenario 2: Same item. I'm bidding, I've made an assessment, like yourself, that the item is worth £700.00 and I'm prepared to bid up to £500.00. [ Bidder 1] Bids £150.00 and sets a maximum bid of £250.00. The auction runs until the final minutes with no other bids, Bidder 1 is salivating at the prospect of getting this item worth £700.00 for just £150.00. [ Me] With 3 seconds of the auction left to run I submit a bid of £155.00 with a maximum bid of £500.00. The automated bidding system instantaneously bids up to Bidder 1's maximum and outbids it. The high bid stands at £255.00. [ Bidder 1] Realises he's going to lose the item, desperately attempts to increase his maximum bid by £100.00 but the auction ends before he can complete this action. My winning bid stands at £255.00. We were both prepared to pay up to £500.00 - by sneaking in at the 12th hour I've stolen the item and paid £105.00 less than you'd have paid using your bidding style. Making a very late bid is just about paying as little as possible of the amount you are prepared to pay. OK, it's not always going to work out as it does in these contrived scenarios but I buy a lot from ebay and I'm sure that doing this has saved me quite a chunk of money over the years. No smoke & mirrors, just sneaky strategy! ChrisThats a very good explanation but I'm curious as to the 2nd scenario. If bidder 1 had actually put in his maximum bid at £500 from the outset and actually put that in as their maximum bid they would have still won the auction with a winning price of £255, right? Your way works perfectly if the other bidders are waiting for a last minute bid, basically doing what you are doing but losing out because their maximum bid turns out to be lower than your last minute punt or is the same as yours but your bid came first? In the second scenario, i could not have paid more than my maximum and the only way I could have paid close to it would be for last minute bidders to push up the bids, which you will expect, so long as its not shill bidding! Interesting how we all perceive things, maybe your way is the best, may give it a go sometime.
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Rob M
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May 30, 2017 11:41:58 GMT
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That's interesting, I had no idea that these sort of partnerships existed! Yeah they are REALLY wide spread, they are a much better way of making income for a site than adverts personally. Content is king, so if the content isn't good then people don't click through. Works for the end user as they get to see interesting things, works for the partners as one gets sales and one gets a bit of referral money. We literally only do eBay now days as so much of our world revolves around it. Although I'm looking to hook up some partnerships with companies that we think can bring something to the site. I know it is a little bit like sausages (no one should see how they get made), but I believe in being up front about these things if they are relevant to discussion I had no idea. Educating the masses on the intricacies of running a website, particularly how it gets funded, cannot be a bad thing. It may well make us appreciate whats involved to keep it online just that bit more.
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