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Suprisingly all the interior was held together with about three screws. Removed the rest of the interior trims i didnt need (down to the switch blanks) and the soundproofing. The only soundproofing was under the drivers feet. On to the bay next once I get some space to store the bumper and bonnet. I just bit the bullet and ditched the entire due to the state of it and how cheap it was selling for on ebay.
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I'm also building a mk2 golf 1.8t but I'll be watching this one. Do lupos use the same T plugs as mk4s? Hi mate sorry I didn't see your reply, what do you mean by t plugs? A lot on the lupo seems similar to the mk4 range, I'm hoping to simply build a bridge between the interior loom and the 1.8t engine loom if thats what you mean. Its a standard 16 pin plug I believe on both just a few differences. This should mean i can use the usual interior features and still have the ability to use VAGCOM through the OBD socket. I will be using the accelerator pedal from the 1.8t donor, and the pedal box off a 1.7 diesel lupo as they had a hydraulic clutch.
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T plugs are the little square plugs, theres also T10 or T14 depending on what year donor you use. I've been mating my mk2 loom up today and do yourself a favour, don't cut the blue square plug off the dbw loom like i did LOL
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Mar 26, 2017 18:05:57 GMT
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Bit of an update now. Work was suspended a bit as I did the headgasket on my daily. Completely stripped dash back now with most of it binned. One seat remains for now. I decided to strip the bay and eBay it all to pay for bits of the conversion and beer, so I've been methodically stripping the thing and binning the rubbish. Down to the block and box today before my back gave out. Next steps are removal of the bumper, wings, front slam and then the rest of the bay. I'll probably weigh in the block and make some nice paperweights out of it. Once it's all stripped its coming out for a long wash and a polish then the install can commence. Mk4 golf is the donor.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2017 10:19:46 GMT by oasis6x
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Mar 27, 2017 10:19:09 GMT
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T plugs are the little square plugs, theres also T10 or T14 depending on what year donor you use. I've been mating my mk2 loom up today and do yourself a favour, don't cut the blue square plug off the dbw loom like i did LOL Ahhh.. sorry buddy totally missed your response there. Ah right yeah the whole loom is made up of them, I'm not sure actually where to start with it if I'm honest. I need to get amongst a wiring diagram to see what I can actually match up, and what i can snip without causing constant EML. Ill have to have a good look at it before I put the engine in, as much as i would like to just leave it alone until last. How have you done yours? spliced the 1.8t engine loom into the lupo loom?
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2017 10:20:23 GMT by oasis6x
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fad
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Mar 27, 2017 11:51:07 GMT
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I've never done a swap on a modern like this. The temptation to do a standalone job must be huge though? To my mind, transferring over the loom that goes with the ECU would make more sense? This must've been documented before though surely!
Looks like you have done a bang tidy job so far though, good to see it being picked apart rather than cut!
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Mar 27, 2017 12:24:54 GMT
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From what ive worked out, I just need to snip the current engine loom and bridge in the 1.8t loom. As its VAG-VAG they share a lot, and looking at the wiring diagrams its only about 16 wires for the sensors and the injectors.
Not really a lot to do when i think about it like that, i get to retain all the current lighting looms, fan sensor, ECU plug and more importantly the current dash and ingnition system.
I think I'm going to end up pulling the dash in order to do it properly, and yeah it is quite well documented just not with a 'guide' as it were. More like pointers. A loom is available off the shelf to do it but its £400 (made really for some wiring).
Electronically I need to splice in the Golf pedal as its flybywire, splice in the 1.8t sensors and rail to the Golf ECU. It will need a few sensors adding such as MAP i think as its forced induction from NASP.
Or all that could be a load of balls haha
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2017 12:25:54 GMT by oasis6x
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Mar 27, 2017 12:34:52 GMT
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I'd be tempted to get some dynamat or equivalent up on the roof, should make it a bit more pleasant, especially in hot weather. Also, in winter you'll get condensation that will drip, so may help with that.
If you're pulling the dash too, dynamat on the firewall will stop the heat getting into the car.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2017 12:36:54 GMT by Soopahfly
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Mar 27, 2017 12:44:38 GMT
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I'd be tempted to get some dynamat or equivalent up on the roof, should make it a bit more pleasant, especially in hot weather. Also, in winter you'll get condensation that will drip, so may help with that. If you're pulling the dash too, dynamat on the firewall will stop the heat getting into the car. I messed up there, you spotted it. When i was stripping it, it had a nice piece of cardboard on the roof siliconed in. I got a bit ahead of myself and pulled it, halfway through i wished id have kept it
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Mar 27, 2017 13:05:58 GMT
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As its VAG-VAG they share a lot, Now I must say I DO love a bit of vag on vag...
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Mar 27, 2017 13:12:17 GMT
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I'd be tempted to get some dynamat or equivalent up on the roof, should make it a bit more pleasant, especially in hot weather. Also, in winter you'll get condensation that will drip, so may help with that. If you're pulling the dash too, dynamat on the firewall will stop the heat getting into the car. I messed up there, you spotted it. When i was stripping it, it had a nice piece of cardboard on the roof siliconed in. I got a bit ahead of myself and pulled it, halfway through i wished id have kept it Only because a lad I used to work with had a stripped out car, and it was horrible to live with.
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Mar 27, 2017 13:14:53 GMT
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Great Project plenty info on Clubpolo and Clublupo... I'm looking at doing a PD conversion on a 1ltr mpi Lupo.. I have a Bora with a 130 PD automatic and that can shift,I bet that a lupo will fly with that.
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Thats the plan. I did manage to get everything else off the block last night - and even sold the head on ebay for £65 so thats a good start.
I suppose I had better get my finger out and list the rest.
Buckets and harnesses should be turning up in two weeks too.
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Taken on a potato by my mates dad;
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Mar 28, 2017 10:17:41 GMT
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Taken on a potato by my mates dad
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Mar 28, 2017 12:02:03 GMT
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Potato was intentional!
The quality of the photo does indeed look like it was taken on a iPotato.
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Nearly at the point of just the block and box left. Driveshafts need removing and then it's coming out. Tell you what I wouldn't want to have to change the power steering pump on one, it's hard work when it's right in front of your eyes! Got the back of the car full of bits to go on eBay.
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Dez
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Re- driveshafts, I can tell you from experience that TDI sport lupos have the larger driveshaft flanges like golfs, not the smaller lupo ones, so unless anyone can give a reason otherwise, they *should* make the gearbox a bolt In swap as far as I can tell?
Oh and don't fit gti brakes. They're no bigger than sport ones, 256mm. But they use a 25mm thick disc rather than the 20 or 22mm that normal VW venteds are. Because of this the brake calipers are £200 each rather than £60. Ask me how I know...
Best upgrade is G60 280mm ones, they use the same calipers as lupo sport brakes (and most of the Mk2/3 golf range) so you only need to buy a pair of G60 discs and caliper carriers to do the swap. Even the pads are the same. Did this on the Missus TDI sport which previously had GTI brakes on and the G60s are tons better but don't really weigh any more as although the disc is bigger it's also thinner so any weight gain is negligable. They require 16" wheels though if you're running alloys, but do clear Some 15" steels.
BUT, to fit sport brakes to a non-sport lupo you need the sport front hubs/uprights as they're different, the base models have the caliper carriers integrated into the uprights, not separate bolt in carriers like everything else.
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Last Edit: Apr 2, 2017 22:53:33 GMT by Dez
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^Nice info there!!
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Some progress so far. Finally got the block and gearbox out, without a crane! By hand and tbh it was pretty easy. Doesn't weigh a lot. Bucket seats are in hand now and it looks like I'll have to get proper Lupo mounts for them tbh, it seems the easiest thing to do. Driveshafts are still attached as they are on with some crappy vw 12 pointed bolts. The rails are now exposed and the grinder will be out soon to cut all the chaff off and make space for the engine mounts. You can actually buy the mk4 gold mounting point from vw for £24, so that's getting picked up tomorrow. I missed out on a whole engine and box on eBay for £150 too which I'm a bit gutted about. I'm erring towards finding a mk4 remapped golf and just using it as a donor car, accepting my power will limit about 180bhp instead of starting there. Not sure yet. Plan now is to sell the box on eBay, convert the block into four paperweights and then clean and shave the bay. Mourning the engine isn't daunting.. however the wiring is.
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