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2014 - Audi A6 Avant 3.0Tdi Quattro
1958 - Chevrolet Apache Panel Truck
1959 - Plymouth Custom Suburban
1952 - Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop
1985 - Ford Econoline E350 Quadravan
2009 - Ovlov V70 2.5T
1970 - Cortina Mk2 Estate
2007 - Fiat Ducato LWB 120Multijet
2014 - Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi ES
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how much does it cost to get the license and cpc tacho It's more complicated and costly than you might think. From a standing start a new O licence application would take at least six months (probably over a year) and around £3,000 plus just under £8,000 in reserve for the first vehicle. There's no guarantee either that an application will be successful - you could jump through all the hoops and still find it refused if some aspect falls short. Actually there are three different types of O licence, two for Hire and Reward (domestic and international) plus one for moving your own stuff around (Own Account). Separate out the two for a moment: "O licence" and "tachograph". O licence:There are some exemptions from Operator licensing for vehicles used only exclusively for recovery, but some will still be required to have it. The flow chart on page ten explains it: www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210144/guide-for-recovery-operations.pdfTacho:If the towing vehicle has a max gross more than 3500kgs, or you use a vehicle and trailer combination with a max train weight over 3500kgs in connection with carriage of goods or burden you must have and use a tachograph. It's not VOSA any more by the way (even though their own guidance advice still says that!). VOSA and DSA merged to become DVSA. At that time both lost a lot of their central government funding. Perhaps not surprisingly that was about the same time that DVSA increased their minimum fine for minor infringements to £85 and - according to some opinion - have become far more aggressive in their enforcement of regulations. They have stated themselves that they are now actively targeting a wider variety of vehicles, including vans and vans with trailers. I think this is partly because large hauliers can't be anything but fully compliant these days, and also because technology makes it so much easier to detect offences and infringements. Any police or DVSA traffic officer will sniff out a driver flouting the rules in two minutes. It's their job, they're good at it. In short - do your homework. |
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Have you considered a Bedford j Type for the cab? (not the right sort of back end but you get a good idea of the style)  American (ish) styling on a British body. Having said that It's probably easier to find a Chevy than a Bedford in the UK these days! Then again there's also this:-  Based on a modern chassis (don't know which) UK based and works for it's living too. That bottom one is up the hill from me. Owned by Roberts motor bodies in Sheffield. Across the valley from me, small world |
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how much does it cost to get the license and cpc tacho It's more complicated and costly than you might think. Tacho:If the towing vehicle has a max gross more than 3500kgs, or you use a vehicle and trailer combination with a max train weight over 3500kgs in connection with carriage of goods or burden you must have and use a tachograph. This part only applies if you are travelling more than 50 miles (or maybe its 35 miles) from your base. |
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From experience placing the rear wheels outside of the load bed hence a wider rear axle on a longish rigid vehicle will make it somewhat of handful to drive and completely different to that of driving a tow vehicle with a trailer which has carries a wider axle than the towing vehicle.
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It's more complicated and costly than you might think. Tacho:If the towing vehicle has a max gross more than 3500kgs, or you use a vehicle and trailer combination with a max train weight over 3500kgs in connection with carriage of goods or burden you must have and use a tachograph. This part only applies if you are travelling more than 50 miles (or maybe its 35 miles) from your base. There's a list of legitimate exemptions (that one on radius from base was increased to a hundred kilometres recently). You'd fully understand what they all are when going through your transport and operator management compliance. The original question was in the context of the obligations to do everything legally as a business - you get out of much of that as a private individual. Key thing is if the car's not yours the probabilty is the carriage would not be regarded as private or without reward. |
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But if you really want a laugh, apply for an Operators Licence. Having got my CPC as a Transport Manager - before all this individual stuff - we thought about operating 7.5 tonners out of an old mill in the village I lived in, Now, let's forget the fact that up until two years before, there was a queue of artics waiting to deliver/collect and also forget I only wanted to run one 7.5 vehicle (there was a load more money in vans then delivering "specials"), but it has to be advertised in the local press, hence inviting objections. There were two ways of accessing the mill; one via a narrow cobbled street, the other across a council car park which was the traditional method and was still used by HGV's on a night stopover. Letter one:- Queens Street is very narrow and all the residents are old and with poor hearing. A huge increase in traffic could be of considerable danger to them. Letter two; Queens Street is full of young families with small children who will not be aware of the dangers of large lorries. I showed these to the licensing guys and explained that we'd never use Queens Street because a) it was too bloody narrow, b) we had perfect access already, via the car park, c) I had no intention of mowing down pensioners (who did exist) and d) didn't want to kill unsuspecting children (who didn't). 'O' License granted with a wry smile. Good few years ago mind, but you soon find out who the real idiots you live near are!  |
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There's a list of legitimate exemptions (that one on radius from base was increased to a hundred kilometres recently). You'd fully understand what they all are when going through your transport and operator management compliance. The original question was in the context of the obligations to do everything legally as a business - you get out of much of that as a private individual. Yes, exactly, the original question was about operating as a business, and that exemption applies to business use, making that what you said, and I quote: incorrect. |
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It's more complicated and costly than you might think. Tacho:If the towing vehicle has a max gross more than 3500kgs, or you use a vehicle and trailer combination with a max train weight over 3500kgs in connection with carriage of goods or burden you must have and use a tachograph. This part only applies if you are travelling more than 50 miles (or maybe its 35 miles) from your base. Its 100KM (as the crow flies not road miles) |
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Curtis
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Can't offer much by way of legality, but seeing this photo:  Perhaps getting around the between axle problem, you could have a swing-arm type rotating bed? With the centre of rotation on the lower portion of the frame near the cab, could you mock something up that spins the bed at 90* to the frame, and lays it relatively flat, then rotates back, with the tail end lifting up and over the rear wheels? Alternatively, with a longer frame (obviously not at this scale) could you have a bed like the low load artic trailers?  Centrally hinged rotating bed with the wheels/axle mounted behind and above the main load area of the flatbed |
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Last Edit: Nov 7, 2017 10:59:00 GMT by Curtis
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Nov 15, 2017 16:02:25 GMT
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There's a list of legitimate exemptions (that one on radius from base was increased to a hundred kilometres recently). You'd fully understand what they all are when going through your transport and operator management compliance. The original question was in the context of the obligations to do everything legally as a business - you get out of much of that as a private individual. Yes, exactly, the original question was about operating as a business, and that exemption applies to business use, making that what you said, and I quote: incorrect. Thanks - I was confusing recovery / specialized / breakdown specific vehicles with transport related operations (i.e. not involving one of those vehicle types in their own context). The DVSA's own guidance does say that... "...The rules on EU Drivers’ Hours and tachographs exist to govern the driving hours and rest periods of drivers who drive commercial goods vehicles, which can include some recovery vehicles."It then seems just to focus on the exemptions that apply widely! |
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