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Aug 30, 2016 18:52:40 GMT
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What's people's thoughts on this? Does it do more harm than good to leave a vehicle standing and hardly use it?
I have a van which I am in the middle of converting to a camper. When I first got it, there were a couple of advisories on the mot for corrosion, I used the van a lot taking my bikes to sprint events and things didn't seem to get worse. Now that it's become a camper project I keep it insured but it's nearly always sorn'd and I tax it now and again for the odd month. Now the corrosion seems to be getting worse and worse.
I never thought anything about it but the guy in the local garage says leaving things standing often makes rust problems worse and if I use it more I'll probably have less problems with rust. Does that make sense?
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Aug 30, 2016 19:02:12 GMT
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I suppose if its sat above damp grass or gravel wont help . And i suppose it does dry out to a certain extent if it gets hot for a period of time .If it has corrosion already i will state the obvious that it will get worse over time if not treated in some way !Ideally needs to be chopped out , at the very least doused in something .
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taurus
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Aug 30, 2016 19:04:55 GMT
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Regular driving can give better air circulation which helps prevent rot. But a lot also depends where you store them. Somewhere with a well drained surface that gets some warmth and good air circulation is going to be a lot better than somewhere like my last driveway - compacted earth under gravel with hedges on three sides. Cars were always damp there.
Cover don't help, they prevent air circulation.
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Aug 30, 2016 19:07:54 GMT
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Depends how it's stored, put it away dry in a waterproof garage and the rot will largely stay away. But leave it out in the rain but unused for long periods and rot will be accelerated, my theory is that it's to do with fresh air circulating in the box sections when it's driven that blows the damp out and retards the increase of entropy. Plus the oil leaks that are inevitable on an old car spray back and coat the underside when it's driven, helping to preserve it further.
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oukie
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Aug 30, 2016 19:08:30 GMT
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I personally think it's BS, look at these old cars that turn up with low miles etc, they have obviously been unused, that is how they've survived, most of the cars that are from the same ilk are long gone though use and exposure to the elements, but obviously this all depends on storage.
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Mr2 mk1 x4
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Aug 30, 2016 19:19:54 GMT
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My van is parked on a paving stone driveway, the rear doors are against my garage door and there's the house wall on one side and a fence on the other, both are close to the sides. Only the front of the van is exposed.
My mate from the garage has a Subaru and he never had problems with it until he took if off the road for 2 years and rot had it it badly.
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Aug 31, 2016 10:18:32 GMT
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My van is parked on a paving stone driveway, the rear doors are against my garage door and there's the house wall on one side and a fence on the other, both are close to the sides. Only the front of the van is exposed. My mate from the garage has a Subaru and he never had problems with it until he took if off the road for 2 years and rot had it it badly. But it likely had rot already which was unnoticed which made it get worse. And the fact it would have in rain day in day out can't help!
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Aug 31, 2016 12:32:43 GMT
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I don't think so personally, unless you put it somewhere like a field or garden as has already been mentioned. Being able to garage it is a no-brainer as that's obviously bound to help keep corrosion in check.
Leaving a car unused, however, definitely leads to lots of mechanical stuff deteriorating / seizing. If the car is rarely checked you might get leaks / rodent damage, etc. which can really start to play havoc with the general condition of the car.
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Aug 31, 2016 16:28:28 GMT
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Most of the issues I've had repaired on my camper project could be down to lack of use. One of the suspension top bearings seized causing the spring to wind and move. The rear brakes seized. Last year I hardly used it, but this year I've kept it taxed a lot more and I've been making an effort to give it a run out even when I'm not using it for weekends away.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:33:34 GMT
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I've had the opposite problem on my S-type. The previous owners had it from almost new and it lived in a nice, dry, warm garage. It now lives outdoors on the mean streets on Bolton. In 7 months or so, a couple of spots on the body have blossomed where previously there wasn't a mark.
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mikeymk
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My advice is to use a glass-area cover, and park it where it's in line with the sun most of the day. The upper cover will help protect the interior from UV damage but allow prevention from damp/mould, and the regular sunlight/warmth will keep the rust away. Exterior plastics can suffer, some worse than others (tail light lenses are terrible), there are treatments to help and it's a small price to pay compared to a rotten shell.
This is coming from someone who had a solid 27yo car, parked it in a deep bushy corner where it never got a minute of sunlight, and saw it dissolve into a cornflake-on-wheels in just two years.
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ChasR
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If you are going to store it, do it so it is indoors and where it is not a dampfest.
Over the years I've tried all sorts of things ; removing underseal, and reapplying it. Eventually, the underseal will dry out or somewhere a weakness will be found where condensation will set it; Think about MInis and their rust prone wing to front panel join where condensation sets in between the seams and the rest is history.
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I've had my golf stored for the last 9 months now in a garage where the sun gets on the door for most of the day and warms it up to unbelievably oven like temperatures, I'd say it's no different now to the day I parked it in there bar a flat battery and some dust (oh and a dent and some scratches where a wheel fell onto it baaaaaaarrrghhhh!!), I check it every two weeks or so just to make sure no mould etc is forming, I leave windows and boot open for two weeks, then shut them for two weeks as well as move it out to check it all in the day light if time permits. Once it's over at my house it'll be getting new brakes, cables, oil etc anyway along with a new turbo.
As others have stated a car which moves will air out, the vibrations, wind from driving and heat from the engine and brakes/tyres etc normally play a small part in drying away quite a lot of water, if a car is sat this doesn't happen and water is allowed to accumulate.
My Triumph Toledo was much the same when left outside near bushes for 4 months, whether that was my own perception of it looking sad or the fact it was actually getting worse.
Personally if I ever have to leave my golf outside, I'd rather sell it to someone who has shelter. I understand its a van but are there carcoons big enough?
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Seth
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Sept 1, 2016 14:10:43 GMT
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A lack of use means you're not enjoying driving your car around while it goes rusty.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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A lack of use means you're not enjoying driving your car around while it goes rusty. It's a campervan that comes out half a dozen times a year for weekends away.
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Being a camper, I'm guessing each of those weekends you bring the van out on, leads to the van being parked at a typical camp site - on wet grass. So any rust already there will enjoy sitting in the damp conditions. Also we have a Volvo 340 which had little bits of rust. Its been parked in a garage since 1998 but the rust hasn't gotten any worse. Mind you, the garage is drier than Death Valley, and sucks all moisture out of you
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Sept 2, 2016 18:48:30 GMT
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Being a camper, I'm guessing each of those weekends you bring the van out on, leads to the van being parked at a typical camp site - on wet grass. So any rust already there will enjoy sitting in the damp conditions. Also we have a Volvo 340 which had little bits of rust. Its been parked in a garage since 1998 but the rust hasn't gotten any worse. Mind you, the garage is drier than Death Valley, and sucks all moisture out of you Never thought about like that, it always ends up on a campsite field. That's got to be a bad environment for encouraging rust to get worse.
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Sept 2, 2016 22:34:00 GMT
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In my experience the longer its parked & how close to the coast you are, are directly related to the speed of a vehicles rate of decay
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I had a 8 year old golf mk2 years ago from by the sea and it was rotten as a peach underneath .Looked fine on the outside but it was so rusty you could see through the floor and the seat was sinking !
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Sept 3, 2016 11:07:32 GMT
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I had a 8 year old golf mk2 years ago from by the sea and it was rotten as a peach underneath .Looked fine on the outside but it was so rusty you could see through the floor and the seat was sinking ! Ha ... wow Well to be fair salt acts as a massive electrolyte effectively acting as a catalyst. Without a catalyst reaction times suffer
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I have a Jaguar XJS - RARRGHH! She is called Lily, and she is my best friend! goo.gl/bT3ASP <-- video of her
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