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Dec 13, 2016 22:29:17 GMT
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Just read this whole thread and reminds me of near-on same situation from a few years ago,
Guy I used to know who had 4 or 5 classics on his drive/front garden looked out of his window one morning and some geezer was wandering around his cars (in broad daylight!), had just opened his driveway gate (one of those wrought iron waist-height jobbies) and walked in bold as brass! When confronted said the same thing 'oh I just like classic cars and was having a look' Nothing ever happened to any of his cars luckily, but he put a taller, more secure gate up not long after.
Think we need a system a bit more like America, whereby if you've had sufficient warning - 'guard dogs loose', 'trespassers will be shot' or whatever, thieving scum have no comeback against people who are just protecting their property - you were on private land without permission, you saw the warnings, you were there to steal stuff, so you have no-one to blame but yourself.
Alternatively, get security ideas from watching Home Alone
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Hi, The scrotes and the lawyers are playing the game. The scrote will not admit anything because if the police or courts make a mistake it will be 'case dismissed'. The lawyers don't give a monkeys about it all because an adjournment means another court appearance = another fee.
Colin
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Think we need a system a bit more like America, whereby if you've had sufficient warning - 'guard dogs loose', 'trespassers will be shot' or whatever, thieving scum have no comeback against people who are just protecting their property - you were on private land without permission, you saw the warnings, you were there to steal stuff, so you have no-one to blame but yourself Here, it is positively encouraged and, should the burglar/attacker survive, it's almost impossible for them to bring a counter-case. As the homeowner, the law is 100% on your side.
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Dec 14, 2016 20:08:29 GMT
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Think we need a system a bit more like America, whereby if you've had sufficient warning - 'guard dogs loose', 'trespassers will be shot' or whatever, thieving scum have no comeback against people who are just protecting their property - you were on private land without permission, you saw the warnings, you were there to steal stuff, so you have no-one to blame but yourself Here, it is positively encouraged and, should the burglar/attacker survive, it's almost impossible for them to bring a counter-case. As the homeowner, the law is 100% on your side. Wish that was the case over here, the police seem more interested in protecting the criminals
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Dec 16, 2016 23:17:04 GMT
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... Wish that was the case over here, the police seem more interested in protecting the criminals Maybe it's because it's easier for them to convict a basically law-abiding citizen who gets pushed too far, than a criminal type who is well-informed on ways to play the system, and the police need to meet their targets Or maybe it's as simple as you make out. Neither case is good
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Last Edit: Dec 16, 2016 23:18:07 GMT by nomad: Oops!
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Its not the police who decide who gets charged and convicted that's down to the CPS.
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Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again George? Sounds fair.
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Think we need a system a bit more like America, whereby if you've had sufficient warning - 'guard dogs loose', 'trespassers will be shot' or whatever, thieving scum have no comeback against people who are just protecting their property - you were on private land without permission, you saw the warnings, you were there to steal stuff, so you have no-one to blame but yourself. [/p] On the balance of things, I'll stick with what we have - America is curse word. *n
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Last Edit: Jan 5, 2017 1:11:40 GMT by penski
Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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oukie
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UPDATE
Went to court yesterday, actually gave evidence.
Interesting, the accused was in hand cuffs, as he has been in the nick this entire time. Turns out he'd been (cue Monty python voice) A very naughty boy.
I'd caught him before he was able to rob me, but the police had stopped him later on and he had various stuff on him that was stolen from burglaries etc.
I never stuck around for sentencing, he'll probably be let out as he's already done 18 months.
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Mr2 mk1 x4
Honda Accord 2.4 Executive (luxo barge)
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Mar 29, 2017 20:23:18 GMT
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You can ask the court what the outcome was, I've done this a few times in the past via email
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Mar 30, 2017 11:57:28 GMT
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A mates lock up got broken it to and the people who broke in to it smashed up around 35 classic cars up.causing around 30k of damage police found DNA in the cars but no arrest made and the police said the persons DNA is on file and he/she is know to the police if someone robed 30k the police would be all over it.
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Mar 30, 2017 12:52:34 GMT
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Hi, The police's view is that cars are an insurable item and if they're not. Why not? They won't get involved beyond giving a crime reference number for theft or damage to cars.
Colin
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Mar 30, 2017 14:51:47 GMT
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A mates lock up got broken it to and the people who broke in to it smashed up around 35 classic cars up.causing around 30k of damage police found DNA in the cars but no arrest made and the police said the persons DNA is on file and he/she is know to the police if someone robed 30k the police would be all over it. Surely that should be enough to arrest the person on Arson charges.
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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Vandals should be shot too. Painfully and left to bleed out slowly.
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Mar 31, 2017 10:03:03 GMT
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If i catch someone trying to rob me and i kick the curse word out of them it will pan out something like this "i heard a noise, went to investigate saw someone trying to steal my car/burgle my house, when i challenged he stepped towards me reached into his pocket/jacket i was in fear of my life as i presumed due to his body language and the intent to steal he had a screwdriver/knife which he could kill me or cause serious injury with so i used the reasonable, proportionate and neccessary force to protect my life"
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Last Edit: Mar 31, 2017 10:04:39 GMT by fordperv
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Mar 31, 2017 10:38:55 GMT
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But the police will ask what you would call reasonable force.and it would be different to what they deemed reasonable force.then they would arrest you and the other person would walk free.funny old life it is .
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paul99
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Mar 31, 2017 12:25:59 GMT
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If i catch someone trying to rob me and i kick the curse word out of them it will pan out something like this "i heard a noise, went to investigate saw someone trying to steal my car/burgle my house, when i challenged he stepped towards me reached into his pocket/jacket i was in fear of my life as i presumed due to his body language and the intent to steal he had a screwdriver/knife which he could kill me or cause serious injury with so i used the reasonable, proportionate and neccessary force to protect my life" Kitchen knife beside the body. Jobs a goodun.
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Mar 31, 2017 12:44:25 GMT
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But the police will ask what you would call reasonable force.and it would be different to what they deemed reasonable force.then they would arrest you and the other person would walk free.funny old life it is . As long as its justifiable, everyones perception of reasonable force is different
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The police do a job I couldn't do and for that I'm grateful to them. Knowing some officers outside of work it's not a job your average person could do, it follows that some officers will be exceptionally good people but others won't be! The downside is that every time I've called them, I have been given the same advice : If you see anyone interfering/stealing your car, don't go out and challenge them in case you get hurt, just call the police. If I see someone inside my car, I cannot assume they broke in, maybe somebody else did and they just sat in for a rest (true story!) If I do challenge anyone, I should be prepared for them to counter-claim that they were just walking past and I threatened/attacked them. Police are underfunded/overworked/too busy. Damage to property is very low on their priorities but anything physical is considered serious (so if I say they broke my windscreen and they say I hit them when they were walking to church, guess which gets taken seriously). Score so far is Citroen AX & Hunter both vandalised "beyond economical repair" (and off the road for many weeks while I found 2nd hand spares to make them roadworthy), a very nice folding trailer-tent destroyed, a fully restored Motoguzzi 500 stolen to be burn out 1/2 mile away, a wingmirror ripped off Sierra by 2 teenagers, and recently an idiot staging a "cash-for-crash" shunt that would have written off my car. I have a strong sense of right and wrong. My experience of the court system is that it is a debating stage for legal/illegal issues, hence some very "legal but wrong" results in court. Am I bitter? Do I blame the police & society? Do I live in constant fear that some morons will vandalise something I have paid good money for, and that I will end up in jail if I try to stop them? Not a rant, just stating my experiences, have a couple of cool old cop cars and enjoy the weekend
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If the police are underfed may be where I live they should stay out of MacDonald and other food palaces and interested of eating and relying on people telling them what's going on they should stop the people who breaking the law may be do some policing.just saying from experience.
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