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Sept 3, 2014 15:00:40 GMT
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DEPARTMENT FOR TRANSPORT (DFT) REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ON EXEMPTIONS FROM PERIODIC TESTING FOR CLASSIC VEHICLES The Department for Transport has set up a website for people to discuss and make suggestions about changes to roadworthiness tests for classic vehicles.
In Great Britain, all vehicles manufactured before 1960 are exempt from regular roadworthiness testing. The new EU Roadworthiness Directive allows the continuation of this exemption from testing if vehicles are over 30 years old and haven’t had substantial changes made to them. To continue to exempt classic vehicles from regular testing, there will be a need to update UK law by 2018 to reflect EU law. In response to this, the Department for Transport has set up a website for people to discuss and make suggestions about changes to roadworthiness tests for classic vehicleswww.dft.gov.uk/classic-mot/survey-classic-vehicle-exemption/Classic Vehicles: exemptions from periodic testing,
To help with the change process, DfT is looking for information and views from interested people and organisations. In particular, DfT is looking for a solution that:
'supports the government’s aim for better regulation that minimises the burdens on vehicle owners and businesses'
'supports the Governments aims for better road safety'
In particular, there are two specific questions that DfT is looking for response to:
1. Do you think that classic vehicles should be exempt? 2. What criteria should be used?
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Last Edit: Sept 3, 2014 15:02:04 GMT by Implandy
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Sept 3, 2014 16:41:32 GMT
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The worrying bit is "update UK law by 2018 to reflect EU law". Historic vehicles in some EU countries had limitations on use imposed which we don't want here. Also there is the "haven’t had substantial changes made to them" which could mean the end to modifications for VED exempt vehicles. I'd say leave things alone and keep the same as at present. Just my opinion.
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Sept 3, 2014 16:58:41 GMT
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I struggle to find any legitimate reason why a car owner would want their vehicle to be exempt from MOT ?!
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timasorus
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Sept 3, 2014 17:15:51 GMT
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Tax exemptions would be fantastic but I know plenty of people that would just drive round in wrecked old cars if they were not forced to keep them to a MOT standard. And what constitutes as standard? Original wheels and tyre size? Window tints? It could all get very confusing very fast and non of us want to end up the wrong side of the law especially if are cars may be in jeopardy.
For many of us here on the forum who look after are cars it would be great but sadly there is always someone exploiting the system ruining it for everyone else.
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Sept 3, 2014 17:51:47 GMT
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Selective testing suggests a trend towards restricted use such as is already implemented in some other European countries. I do not believe that any car should be given either preferential treatment or denied full access to the UK road network.
All cars should be tested equally, and be allowed to be used as much as desired. The tiny minority of people who choose to run older cars on a regular basis should not be penalised. It only stands to reason that the continued use of existing cars is far less devastating on the environment than the constant cycle of re-manufacture.
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Sept 3, 2014 19:04:05 GMT
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I'd benefit from such a change by the time it comes in so from that point of view great, one peice of admin I don't need. Simple fact is I know my car inside out and anything that'd fail an MOT would be rectified myself as part of normal servicing. I'm not here to jepordise myself in it and use it as an excuse for the car to go to rack and ruin.
On the other hand, its what other people do that would worry me. I may be diligent, but others not so. I drive a lot and the thought of untested cars running around while a very small risk just seems an unnecessary one to me.
I also strongly believe and have said before I think the EU are likely to be offering us a sweeterner before they turn around in 10 years time and place a limit on the use of 'older vehicles' which are MOT exempt.
So, all in all, I'd like to be made to keep taking the car to a garage once a year and take away a little bit of paper saying 'Pass'. Just leave things the way they are, thanks.
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Last Edit: Sept 3, 2014 19:04:51 GMT by brettsri
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bstardchild
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Sept 3, 2014 19:43:00 GMT
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I'd benefit from such a change by the time it comes in so from that point of view great, one peice of admin I don't need. Simple fact is I know my car inside out and anything that'd fail an MOT would be rectified myself as part of normal servicing. I'm not here to jepordise myself in it and use it as an excuse for the car to go to rack and ruin. On the other hand, its what other people do that would worry me. I may be diligent, but others not so. I drive a lot and the thought of untested cars running around while a very small risk just seems an unnecessary one to me. I also strongly believe and have said before I think the EU are likely to be offering us a sweeterner before they turn around in 10 years time and place a limit on the use of 'older vehicles' which are MOT exempt. So, all in all, I'd like to be made to keep taking the car to a garage once a year and take away a little bit of paper saying 'Pass'. Just leave things the way they are, thanks. I fully agree with all of that ^
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Raoul Duke
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Sept 3, 2014 20:05:20 GMT
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I also strongly believe and have said before I think the EU are likely to be offering us a sweeterner before they turn around in 10 years time and place a limit on the use of 'older vehicles' which are MOT exempt. I'd go further than that, and suggest that they'd use the statistics showing the number of 'dangerous' cars on the road (gleaned from DVSA checks and accident reports) to justify and back up any restrictions they then impose. And there would be a considerable increase in unroadworthy cars if they dropped the 30+ MOT.
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Last Edit: Sept 3, 2014 20:06:09 GMT by Raoul Duke
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Copey
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Sept 4, 2014 11:28:14 GMT
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Hopefully this wont happen, as people have said it would cause loads of restrictions on older cars and probably mean you wont be able to use them as a daily car, it would be nice, if something does come in, to be given the option of going exempt, option 1 you go exempt and abide by any set restrictions option 2 you carry on having an annual MOT and can use your car as you wish...but knowing our gov that would be too much like common sense!
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Sept 4, 2014 11:36:58 GMT
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EU bods have the desire to ban powerful vacuum cleaners, possibly toasters and potentially kettles yet they are prepared to entertain the idea that cars can be driven without an MOT...?! I call this madness...!!!
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toreno
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Sept 4, 2014 11:54:03 GMT
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Such a stupid idea this mot exemption is an accident waiting to happen. The problem is the day an e types wheel comes off doing 100 mph up the m1 after not having an mot for five years we will all suffer when they use that as an excuse to ban old cars from the road. Why change a system that works and as far as i know nobody was complaining about anyway
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 4, 2014 11:56:26 GMT
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At the risk of this turning political, the fact that the EU deem powerful vacuum cleaners more hazardous than 30+ year old cars on the roads unchecked/untested, just shows how far removed they are from reality and why we should just ignore them!
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craig1010cc
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Sept 4, 2014 12:00:43 GMT
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Doesn't the german system allow you to have expemtion from MOT/Tax, but restricted use on a "historic" plate, or you can keep it reistered as a "normal " car and use it as much as you want, but you have to pay road tax/MOT it as you would a newer car which seems a better system to me as the restrictions of when you can use a historic plated car would stop most going down that route if they are thinking of running a wreck as a daily
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THE_Liam
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Sept 4, 2014 15:08:10 GMT
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I already don't like the fact that pre-1960 cars can be driven without an MOT, pre-1984 cars as well is pretty terrifying!
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Sept 5, 2014 10:21:46 GMT
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This whole idea of MoT exemption is flawed and has the potential to be dangerous. The MoT is there to ensure vehicles are in roadworthy condition for the safety and security of all that use and encounter that vehicle on the road.
The present system is not broken, there is no need to fix it.
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Sept 5, 2014 10:55:34 GMT
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This whole idea of MoT exemption is flawed and has the potential to be dangerous. The MoT is there to ensure vehicles are in roadworthy condition for the safety and security of all that use and encounter that vehicle on the road. The present system is not broken, there is no need to fix it. You could argue our system is deficient in other respects: For instance, many countries register and tax trailers, which seems like a pretty big oversight on our part in the UK. Attaching one to the back of a tested car does not automagically extend the roadworthiness bubble over the trailer mechanicals, and I wonder how many people bother getting theirs inspected independently. So having a tiny %age of untested pre 83 cars on the road is probably not going to make much difference.
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Sept 5, 2014 11:13:19 GMT
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bad idea. Someone i know drives a 35 y/o car and has the 'if it aint broke don't fix it' , even something like an oil change is unlikley on an anual basis, and it doesnt get used that much, just sits outside. As it is i wonder how it passes its MOT so id be terrified it he didnt need to get it mot'd. on the other hand i someone else who has a car old enough not to need an mot, goes and gets it mot checked in the spring before he uses it just to be safe.
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melle
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Sept 5, 2014 15:52:32 GMT
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In Ireland there's no NCT (MOT) for cars <1980. Bloody dangerous country this.
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Sept 5, 2014 16:12:25 GMT
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Personally, I'm all for the EU having a bee in its bonnet about hoovers and hairdryers. That way they'll be too busy to bother us! I posted comments on the DfT website a couple of weeks ago, and pretty much all the comments would support the views expressed here. However, politicians aren't known for letting public opinion interfere with their plans!
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ferny
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Sept 5, 2014 16:43:07 GMT
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With all due respect to all who look after their cars - unless you've the means to test each brake at its maximum load or get under your car and check every bush then there's no way you can say your car doesn't need an MOT. Stuff degrades and often it's at such a slow rate that general use won't show it up and you'll only notice when it's either tested properly or you're in an emergency situation.
Every "ahha, that'd be cool because..." reason I can come up with for being happy my car won't need testing can be countered by a "what if". I'm quite happy that once a year someone impartial gets to give my car a once over.
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