ChrisT
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??ChrisT
@christ
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Jan 19, 2014 19:47:41 GMT
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Sorry not on my retro but I need an answer from someone knowledgeable.
Made the mistake of taking my 200sx to a franchise MOT place, as my normal garage has shut down and don't know where the tester has gone, and it's failed on loads of little things which aren't usually flagged up.
The one I am needing info on is that it's failed on the 'n/s and o/s front headlamp cleaning device obviously defective [1.7.2]' - it used to have headlamp washers but I took them off years ago as they didn't work, never had a problem before.
The guy is claiming they are original equipment so need to be there - is this something new? I can't find any mention of it in any MOT manuals.
If he was claiming I need them for the HIDs fitted then that's fair enough, although I'd still question it as the MOT manual says 'Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps MAY be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work......'
I'll put the std bulbs back in if the HIDs were a problem but I don't want the hassle of having to re-fit a headlamp washer system.
I'm working on the fact it's a new place and only just got the MOT testing licence so he's being ultra strict, following everything to the letter and erring on the side of caution by failing anything dubious just in case it's DVLA with a mystery shopper trying to catch him out.
Off down there tomorrow to question a few things on the fail sheet, just would be good for someone to point me in the right direction on the OE fitment issue.
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stealthstylz
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??stealthstylz
@stealthstylz
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Jan 19, 2014 19:55:00 GMT
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I had a customers E60 BMW in that failed on this last week because it had the plastic covers in the bumper where the headlight washers would go, but as they weren't fitted they didn't lift obviously. First I'd heard of it too
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ChrisT
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??ChrisT
@christ
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Jan 19, 2014 20:18:21 GMT
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That's not encouraging to hear, guess the old adage of 'if it's not there it can't be tested' is no longer true then?
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Jan 19, 2014 20:35:40 GMT
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If no remains of the system are in place then its can't be tested.
If you have no rear seats or seat belts then it does not fail the items are just not tested, sometimes there is just no replacement for common sense.
As for the HID's that is correct I've taken a few for testing over the years and it was one point that my tester always brought to my attention. People over look the washers and self leveling system and wonder why it fails as the beam pattern is right and its got the right kelvin but rules are rules.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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ChrisT
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??ChrisT
@christ
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Jan 19, 2014 20:43:14 GMT
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The button in the dash is all that's left, so maybe being pedantic that means the rest of the system should be there, I can soon remove that.
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Jan 19, 2014 21:03:53 GMT
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If you remove the button and tape over the actual covers on the bumper the tester is not allowed to remove tape to test underneath.
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a3ltr
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Jan 19, 2014 21:10:59 GMT
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if they are fitted they need to work, but there is no failure for them being missing !
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Jan 19, 2014 21:11:17 GMT
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Take it somewhere else
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Jan 19, 2014 22:44:32 GMT
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They recently brought in head lamp washers along with many other things like SRS lights as mot fails. Doesn't mater what year or type of head light you have if it has washers they need to work. Though as said if you remove all trace of head lamp washers it will pass, though you will have to go for an mot Some where else now as they will no it was made with them.
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mk2cossie
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??mk2cossie
@mk2cossie
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Jan 19, 2014 23:36:08 GMT
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It shouldnt fail on headlamp washers missing, as the 200SX to the best of my knowledge has normal halogen bulb projector lights  If you have fitted one of those horrid HID kits, then its a fail on a technicality, and also illegal as the headlamps aren't approved or marked for use with that type of bulb  (but road use and MOT don't exactly see eye to eye!) Just put the normal halogen bulbs back in for the test, and it doesn't need any kind of washers or wipers for the MoT (and think of the nuns and kittens you'll save by not blinding them with HIDs  ) |
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Jan 20, 2014 12:04:33 GMT
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It doesn't matter what bulbs are fitted now, if it has headlight washers they must work. Is this a new requirement?...my 924 has them fitted and are temperamental to say the least!....guess some time needed on these then?  |
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mk2cossie
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MOT fail - headlamp washers??mk2cossie
@mk2cossie
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Jan 20, 2014 13:19:03 GMT
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It doesn't matter what bulbs are fitted now, if it has headlight washers they must work. NO THEY DON'T  If the car presented has HID or LED headlights then if fitted they must work. Nothing about normal halogen bulbed headlights. And that's coming from a tester, the others obviously can't read the bleeding testing manual very well |
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Jan 20, 2014 15:58:55 GMT
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If no remains of the system are in place then its can't be tested. If you have no rear seats or seat belts then it does not fail the items are just not tested, sometimes there is just no replacement for common sense. Not quite. My wife's '52 plate Fiesta was failed for not having a centre rear seat belt. The belt got chewed by a rather enthusiatic new puppy so I removed it. The car failed on statutory fitment of rear belts. By law it had to have one fitted and simply removing it was not an option. Dave |
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Jan 20, 2014 16:48:26 GMT
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Put the standard bulbs back in and submit it for a re-test.
The fail is the lack of washers with HIDs fitted.
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VIP
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Jan 20, 2014 17:02:34 GMT
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If no remains of the system are in place then its can't be tested. If you have no rear seats or seat belts then it does not fail the items are just not tested, sometimes there is just no replacement for common sense. Not quite. My wife's '52 plate Fiesta was failed for not having a centre rear seat belt. The belt got chewed by a rather enthusiatic new puppy so I removed it. The car failed on statutory fitment of rear belts. By law it had to have one fitted and simply removing it was not an option. Dave I think there is some ambiguity in his post, substitute 'OR seat belts' for 'AND seat belts'. Certainly if there are neither seats or seatbelts in the rear, then they would not be tested, but a single missing seatbelt where the seat is still fitted would fall foul of the requirements. |
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2014 17:02:51 GMT by VIP
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Jan 20, 2014 17:05:28 GMT
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From what i recall, the s15 at least did have factory optional hid's.
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carltonx
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Jan 20, 2014 17:36:37 GMT
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i have a 350z roadster with headlight washers disconnected and thay pass the mot every time
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Copey
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Jan 20, 2014 21:04:27 GMT
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saphs headlamp washers don't work, wipers do, but it didnt fail an MOT
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Jan 20, 2014 22:47:09 GMT
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Last Edit: Jan 20, 2014 22:49:22 GMT by Battles
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(but road use and MOT don't exactly see eye to eye!)
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