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Jan 29, 2007 13:00:49 GMT
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ZX TD - LMFAO. I'm not having a diesel! Like I said before - I want something resonably quick. It's a 2nd car purely for fun. I wouldn't waste my money on a low model, under-powered car. As I'd get no enjoyment out of it. Youve obviously never driven a modern TDi then..... quicker than the petrol equivalents on road if not in the Bar bragging stakes
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Jan 29, 2007 13:06:17 GMT
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I had great fun driving a Morris Minor - 35 BHP
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 29, 2007 13:06:42 GMT
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Youve obviously never driven a modern TDi then..... quicker than the petrol equivalents on road if not in the Bar bragging stakes Yes I have. Vauxhall CDTi (or whatever). Seat Ibiza with a 1.9 PD engine. Power comes in one lump, they don't rev. They're just boring. Good on the m/way - but not for blatting along a B road. Small engine - I used to have a 1.1 Saxo. You laugh, but it was loads of fun to drive! Felt like a go-kart. All it needed was more power. It was good on the twistys, & had ample power. I'd like something like that - but with more power & older so I can insure it on a classic policy.
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Jan 29, 2007 13:12:57 GMT
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You could probably tempt me to sell my Peugeot 205 1.9GTi for a little less than £2k. I adore 205's. Or what about an Astra 2.0 GTE? I know someone who might be selling one of those fairly shortly too?
If insurance is too high on either of those then go for a 205 1.4 XS, not as quick as the 1.9 but not far off keeping up with the 1.6GTi's.
I love 205's. Other options might be a good XR2, XR3i?
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suffolkpaul
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Retro Free - just a pug 406 with 230k miles on it...
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Jan 29, 2007 13:50:57 GMT
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SUD SUD SUD SUDSUD SUD RUST RUST RUST RUST RUST
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Jan 29, 2007 13:56:04 GMT
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thing is a lot of classics are less powerful than modern cars.
Compare the power (and probably ride and handling) of a lot of the cars of yesteryear and they are behind what you would get today. Even a fairly modest warm hatch will probably blow away stuff like E Type Jags and older Aston Martins on the open road.
Its all about the journey, not how quick you get there...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 29, 2007 14:05:43 GMT
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I understand that, I wouldn’t be looking at a classic otherwise.
All I’m saying is, for example, if I bought a 205 1.4 I’d always be lusting after the 1.9.
May as well get the best example I can afford with the best spec & the most powerful engine.
This is something that I’ll want to keep for several years. I’d rather get it right & buy once. I can always go slower in the more powerful car, but not quick in the less powerful one.
Most older cars are lighter, noisier etc so FEEL quicker. It's all part of the fun
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Jan 29, 2007 14:12:32 GMT
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Youve obviously never driven a modern TDi then..... quicker than the petrol equivalents on road if not in the Bar bragging stakes Yes I have. Vauxhall CDTi (or whatever). Seat Ibiza with a 1.9 PD engine. Bet the Vauxhall's a 1.3 or 1.7. Otherwise you're not trying hard enough! Most modern direct injection diesels are capable of making older hot hatches look pretty silly whatever the road's like. A Citroen ZX would happily show most cars a clean pair of heels on a twisty road if driven properly, and that's an old diesel...! If it's power you're after a mk2 Astra GTE 16v will do the job. If it's fun, the world's your oyster, choose whatever you like driving the most!
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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ratty
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Jan 29, 2007 14:15:09 GMT
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Maestro Turbo But then I'm biased
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Jan 29, 2007 14:15:29 GMT
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mk1 or mk2 golf gti?!
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Jan 29, 2007 14:16:57 GMT
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Yes I have. Vauxhall CDTi (or whatever). Seat Ibiza with a 1.9 PD engine. Bet the Vauxhall's a 1.3 or 1.7. Otherwise you're not trying hard enough! Most modern direct injection diesels are capable of making older hot hatches look pretty silly whatever the road's like. A Citroen ZX would happily show most cars a clean pair of heels on a twisty road if driven properly, and that's an old diesel...! If it's power you're after a mk2 Astra GTE 16v will do the job. If it's fun, the world's your oyster, choose whatever you like driving the most! Hehe – easy money. How much have you? It was a 1.9. They are quick – don’t get me wrong. It’s not the power itself – it’s the way in which it’s delivered. Fine if I was doing loads of miles on the motorway, otherwise I’ll stick to petrol TY. Astra keeps getting mentioned. Not something I’d thought of, but the old GTE looks quite nice. I’ll have to have a look. Actually, I think it's the MKI that looks alright. MKII I'm not keen on.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2007 14:19:17 GMT by ancoats
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Jan 29, 2007 14:39:51 GMT
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I'd go for a Mk1 Golf or a scirocco(cos they're cheaper).
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Padz
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Jan 29, 2007 14:41:05 GMT
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309 gti, even better than the 205 in my biased head, but it's been said by many people.
my 309 is a grdt and its fantastic on the twisty little lanes
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"I'd rather lie in a bath of my own excrement than own a Vectra " - 2002gimp 25/1/07 "Anal Alert would be an absolutely superb name for piles cream " - Hirst 28/1/08 1991 - Peugeot 205 GTI 1996 - Rover Mini Cooper
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Jan 29, 2007 14:53:37 GMT
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the other thing to remember about the citroen diesel is the fact its much much lighter than todays diesel equivalents, that makes the torque go much further than todays cars. Also the older diesels respond mighty well to the pump tweek and a bit more boost! I have a BX diesel turbo, it will smoke the inside front in third going round corners if you catch it on boost. The other bonus for me is the fact i get 600 miles from a tank o diswol. My choice for a hot hatch is a charade GTti, very quick, cheap insurance as 993cc, but nice ones are hard to find under 2K J
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phatphord
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Jan 29, 2007 15:01:11 GMT
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I used to drive my mums zx td and it hustled. Was nice to drive (much better than the 306 td she got after). I'd def have another. Other great hilarious drives were had in my old nissan 1.4 sunny which was as cheap as the chips that were probably delivered in it at some point in its life. If you want summat modern thats gonna hold its value a bit then hunt out a clio williams.
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1994 Ford Scorpio Lowrider um...and some bikes...
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RetroMat
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Column Shifting!
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Jan 29, 2007 15:08:00 GMT
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Nissan Sunny ZX hatch or Coupe, coupe's came with lsd as standard ;D
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Jan 29, 2007 15:23:54 GMT
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I thought you were having problems with insurance premiums? Buying a hot hatch to get a cheap premium isn't quite the way round I thought it worked...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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bryn
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Jan 29, 2007 15:26:17 GMT
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I keep being told that the R5 GTT is not unreiable unless some Barry has been at it with an adjustable boost regulator and no supporting mods... Funnily enough that was the only modification my 52yr old father made to his R5 GTT. He was a high ranking member of the Home Office at the time... Oh, and his name was Nigel. Not Barry
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Jan 29, 2007 15:31:04 GMT
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I thought you were having problems with insurance premiums? Buying a hot hatch to get a cheap premium isn't quite the way round I thought it worked... I was – with a tank. Big cars are prohibitively expensive to insure. E class Merc, SII Land Rover with a decent engine etc. Small cars I can get insured on at reasonable cost (inc. the quicker hot hatches). I’ve been trying to say this several times in the thread! My first post must have confused people. Basically: Barges = Too expensive to insure Nippy hot hatches = I can insure in the summer. I’d like suggestions on the latter – not some veteran car with 15HP – OK a little over exaggeration.
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paulw
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Jan 29, 2007 16:10:25 GMT
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Got to add my vote for the AX GT - this is loads and loads of fun, super, super light and revs to near 7k quite happily. Great on fuel, tyres and insurance - if you don't have to do loads of motorway then it'll be brilliant. I've done five thousand miles in one and I wouldn't have a 205 GTI instead, the 205 is a great car but it feels too grown up in comparison to the AX, which is so light you can chuck it around like a loon and feel every bit of the road without as much danger of diving into a field. Only problem is that the early steel wheel ones are impossible to get bits for, otherwise I'd be driving mine still instead of it sitting abandoned in Peterborough
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Lotus Seven '58 Ford Special 64 Barracuda
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