shlomping
Club Retro Rides Member
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show me: mk5 cortina estates?shlomping
@shlomping
Club Retro Rides Member 30
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Dec 27, 2012 14:28:36 GMT
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Interesting! In what way are the wishbones of unequal length? Also if the main problem is geometry changes during suspension movement surely this could be massively reduced when running much stiffer springs? Less movement away from the desired ideal setup. The upper wishbone is shorter than the lower meaning the upper ball joints travell through a smaller arc than the lower B/J as the susspension compresses, thus pulling the top B/J in and cambering the wheel, great when the suspension is at it's normal height as the camber leaves more tyre in contact with the road as you corner and the outer wheel compresses but lower it too far and it's camberd all the time which when in a straight means less tyre on the road, less grip less stabilty ect. Coilovers solve nothing, they are intended to equall the cars weight over the 4 contact patches, people go on like they are the be all and end all of suspension mods and to allow correct weight distribution over all 4 wheels the are, as a secondary use they can allow lower suspension whilst still having some suspension travel. On the cortina they need some seriouse strengthening of the upper and (especialy) lower shock mounts, then all they do is the same job as the origional set up, suspension travel is no better, as it's limited by the upper arm and not internaly like a normal strut and they pivot in the same way the origional shock did although they do allow the spring to compress in a straight line unlike the standard springs that straighten as the lower wishbone comes up and sit bent at rest. There are a few custom shops out there do really trick double wishbone set ups but they cost, the cortina was never ment to be a sports car that's why ford never really tried, a few standard Mks3s for a celebraty race series and 2 Mk5s fiddled with by Boreham and Koln and they both gave up and gave them to private race engeneers who stuggled for months to get a fair handling car (as a side not neither of the very experianced private engeneers used coil overs on the front ) IME cortinas handle best with a 1ish inch lowering and much thicker ARBs but even that has side affects, add say a 20mm front ARB (hyundai stellar) and the rear end becomes much more snappy in oversteer cos lets face it the rear end is a compromise and compaired to the front it's curse word, you sort the front then the rear really needs looking at with parralel top arms and a panrad rod (ala SA cortinas). The front ARB could do with rose joins top and bottom and the link arm from the xmember to the bottom arm really needs a decent connection sorting. Oh and as popup implys never undeestimate the power of a weak bush sorry anorac off Very interesting read. My Cortina currently is fully polybushed on the front has spaxadjustable dampers and extra low lowering springs (-3") so I guess handling is going to be very compromised.I'll just stiffen the rear up a bit more and go drifting ;D
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Dec 27, 2012 18:16:50 GMT
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Dec 27, 2012 23:42:55 GMT
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couldn't be arsed to puy all that rob, well said, if you wana know how to mod mk3-5 tinas get over to www.buysellcortina.co.uk if you wana know how to stance one ask on here.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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Dec 28, 2012 11:38:06 GMT
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I converted the fronts (and rears on they way) to coil overs on my mk3, you can find the thread through my profile if your interested to read. I know the coiover won't affect the front suspension geometry and therefore tyre contact patch however it does give me ride height and damping adjustability as well as a massive range of spring rates to choose from which can easily and cheaply be changed. I want to run a low cortina that handles, I know it's goi to be a bit of work to get it right and probably involve new wishbones on the front and 4 linking the rear. I'm also running 15's so should be able to run a slightly higher ride height wihilst maintaining the lows! Just need to get round to finishing it now!
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bortaf
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Dec 28, 2012 13:09:40 GMT
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You can get normal adjustable shocks but yes I do have to concede changing springs and spring rates is way, WAY easyer with coilovers You can reset some of the camber by repositioning the B/Js a tad (lets face it who want a B/J in the wronge place) ;D now i have me dirty mac on somone pass me the anorac back back to cortina estates 2.3 GhiaS estate when it was mine and a prev 2.3 GhiaS estate 2.3 GhiaS estate
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Last Edit: Dec 28, 2012 13:15:57 GMT by bortaf
R.I.P photobucket
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bortaf
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Dec 28, 2012 13:18:25 GMT
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Bortaf's (from this very forum) old Mk5 cortina estate 2.3 Ghia S estate. Apparently was the last one known to the club and had been in ashes to ashes and Michael Caine film "is there anybody there?" Still on the road according to DooVLA, which can only be a good thing. nice to see these pics of 'BEV' i've just purchased it! put a 2 litre pinto in yours with some 4 spoke mk1 escort rs 2000 alloys with a one inch drop,gl/ghia steering wheel,rev counter and centre console out of a ghia and if you could get ya hands on some of those fab fishnet recaro seats out of a gls,that would be nice!!!! and don't forget to sort them dammed bushes out either! ;D Have you ! sweet !! she was starting to go crusty at the rear ends of the sills but was pretty solid, how is the old girl now? still sideways at every wet roundabout ;D, not very powerfull but enough low down to get the oot
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R.I.P photobucket
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Mar 14, 2013 17:53:24 GMT
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I love the estate, but it's always really bugged me how the rear rubbing strips don't line up with the rear bumper on the mk5! lol this is perfect in my eyes: just dug this back up to have a look at some examples and realised how sexual this photoshop is, somebody fancy changing the alley cats to steelies and hubcaps?
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Nobody dies a virgin, because lifes curse word us ALL
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unitybonez
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Blowing Pintos
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I always laugh when people talk about the TC like it was a muscle car, an it happens a lot with the locals. Someone even goes as furtheras sying that they handle great with the rear jacked and the front lowered, but they are clearly clueless.... So anyway, ownin a Taunus on hydraulics , which is just like a 'tina but with diffrent body panels, and having fiddled with the suspension in every possible way, or almost, i can give you some insight. First and foremost, if you expect sports car performance you simply wont get it. If you want a responsive car ( the fact that youre plannin on a DOHC conversion leads to believe so) with decent handling it can be done. All that Bortaf said is true, but if you only want a cool cruiser with the aformentioned characteristics its all good. Then, poly bushings. In my experience they suck! They are the worse possible choice for adjustable suspension as they are too stiff and don't cope well with the rising and lowering, so much that i switched back to rubber for the most. The bushings on the rear upper arms squeak so much that it seems that the car will fold like a wallet everytime i take off, and althou WD40 kills the squeak completely they are the next ones to go. In my experience they seem to work better on the front arms, possibly because they are only working on one plane, as opposed to the rear, but this is only a theory i have. As far as lows, i'd go as far as the ball joints allow, followin the same rule as above, so if you just want a "nervous" cruiser. I don't mean on they're limit as that would result in catastrophic failiure, but i'd leve as little travel as possible in reletion to how stiff the suspension set up will be. The best thing would be to swap them with BJs with more reach, but being that there is zero aftermarket for these cars finding, them is a mission on its own. I personally drive very low, i set up the hydraulics to bottom out at the very end of the BJs travel, and before taking off i hit the switch veeeeery little. If you check my build thread imagine the car a inch higher up front. thats how i usually drive with no problems wwhatsoever. Consider that i don't abuse it at all, but its not like I'm alwys looking out for potholes and stuff, also cause the way i set it up handles and feels better than stock. The rear....SUCKS! LOL You cant lower it too much, or the driveshaft will hit the tunnel, and/or the pinion U-joint will snap or at least cause scary vibrations. For the first 2 years that i owned it i drove around with hacked springs, the rears were only 3 turns LOL, infact i often had the driveshaft hittin if i encountered too deep of a pothole! Once one of the coils got stuck sideways, i can tell you the fun to set it back straight...i ended up securing them by welding a piece of tubing on the bottom in which to slide the coilend into. The joys of inexperience wouldnt trade that experience with anything. I learned so much by fcukin it up badly its prtty unbelievable. To lower it a respectable amount properly anyway, you need to rise the driveshaft tunnel right under the rear bench and leghten the upper trailing arms, althou i have yet to leghten them so i don't know how much. I can speculate that 2" should be enuff, but I'm making them adjustable just to stay on the safe side. I drove for years with the carrier bearing rubber bushing torn, and that allowed for more lows without the U-joint binding, but when i swapped the whole driveshaft assembly last summer i was left unble to do so anymore... The brakes are curse word. True story, but they are also fine if once again you only need a kool cruiser. Of course new everything wont hurt. Its not a pretty picture i know, but these cars arent very well engineered to be totally fair. I can easily say that compared with other Fords of the era were probably the worse. I still love them of course in a masochistic way... Now get to work andshow us a beige slammed wagon!
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Sent from my ouiji board.
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dave80
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Mar 15, 2013 19:11:03 GMT
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sierra 1.6 ghia
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ThePollitt
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Fix up, look... at that car on eBay!
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Mar 15, 2013 20:12:56 GMT
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Not sure how I missed this thread considering I used to have one. There's also a lot of beige going on, but that's great as mine was beige too! I bought mine off eBay years ago, had a mate weld up a couple of bits and bobs resulting in the rear suspension becoming part of the car again, which is always a bonus. Then I dropped a five-speed box in it and put it closer to the ground via some lowering springs and some shiny new Spax dampers. it was a lovely old thing, not sure why i sold it to be totally honest. Have some pics... Before lows... After lows... Pre-new suspension comedy cornering shot... Some more shots... This was the day I collected it... It was a wonderful old thing. A lovely 2.0 Pinto lived under the bonnet, so it shuffled along nicely and it was pretty mint. It lives on, I believe, but the last time I saw her, she was looking rough. That beautiful roof had been pulled off with the once hidden metal crudely painted black. I feel I really let that car down. Interestingly, the lowered springs came from a man in Swindon whom I featured in Classic Ford. He's building a MkV 'tina wagon and I have to say, it's a work of art... Lovely fella who goes by the name of Mike. He's an incredible fabricator, as can be seen by the car he's building. Full custom chassis, V8, two-door conversion. It's a labour of love for Mike, and one that'll be done when it's done and not a moment before. Check out his website (including the feature I did) HERE!Chris
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Mar 15, 2013 21:21:38 GMT
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Pollitt, what paint code is that yours? It's the colour I'm going to do mine, infact exactly the same as that with the brown vinyl roof, but with half the tail gate aswell. The photoshopped one above is what I'm aiming for how did it handle once you had put the new suspension on? It does look nice tho mate, bet your gutted you sold it now aye
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Nobody dies a virgin, because lifes curse word us ALL
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MrSpeedy
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www.vintagediesels.co.uk
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Jan 23, 2014 20:52:05 GMT
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That last one is the finished version of the one at the bottom of page 2. Owned by a mate of mine in Rugby
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My dad had an estate red over rust ended up writting it off and two other cars, he didn't see they had stopped Dooh!!
I had MK5 2.0 auto saloon, was graet motor for driving long distances comfortable and good for overtaking but on twisty B roads you had to be careful of pot holes or camber changes because this would unsettle her, had to change the rear void bushes at every MOT! Remember to look at the front subframe bushes because these when slightly worn can cause weired handling, drove mine with a broken front spring for age's without noticing until l was fitting new front pads, at least l found out what that bag was what l had heard months earlier, so fitted new shox at the same time was expecting huge difference in handling but apart from higher ride hieght was not a huge difference. Sold it soon after that to some kid who promptly put it into a ditch!
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My mk5 Carousel Estate
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