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Jul 24, 2011 23:17:18 GMT
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I'm pretty well up on the standard K-series, but I've never really even heard of the turbo variant that came in the 75's.
Has anyone dealt with them at all, and the differences in the standard and turbo charged variants? I like the VVC's etc, but you can't beat turbos.
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scruff
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Anecdotally they were very under developed, make the power but at a cost to reliability by all accounts.
The T series engine (Iron block) is suppsoed to make a better lump, but heavier too.
I'd look at bastardising bits to make a 1.4 or 1.6 Turbo nutter K and get it all balanced up to rev to 10k+
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1994 Lotus Esprit - Fragile red turbo with pop up lights. 1980 Porsche 924 - Fragile red turbo with pop up lights.
I spy a trend...
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Jul 25, 2011 10:00:31 GMT
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All the ancillaries swap over with the smaller engines OK. The T-series was almost nearly double the weight of the K-series, 80kg vs 130kg. They're going quite cheap, but worried about subframe clearance for the manifold/turbo.
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Jul 25, 2011 10:35:31 GMT
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Look up Evoloutions thread on the 16v mini forum for lots of info on k series turbos...
280bhp from scrappy parts enough to get you intrested?
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scruff
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Jul 25, 2011 10:38:18 GMT
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Is this for your MGF?
From memory the problem with the Elise install is the turbo hangs stright off the exhaust manifold (right at the front of the 75) so between the engine and firewall so needs moving quite a long way aft, pretty sure the MGF has the same problem.
The Metro might be better for space.
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1994 Lotus Esprit - Fragile red turbo with pop up lights. 1980 Porsche 924 - Fragile red turbo with pop up lights.
I spy a trend...
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Jul 25, 2011 10:54:09 GMT
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Look up Evoloutions thread on the 16v mini forum for lots of info on k series turbos... 280bhp from scrappy parts enough to get you intrested? That's more than enough to get me interested!!! Here's the link to the (30-page!) thread: www.16vminiclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3208A 280bhp turbo Metro that looked fairly standard would be
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qwerty
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Jul 25, 2011 14:27:38 GMT
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I like the Idea of a Turbo K series but surely this will just exacerbate the Head Gasket problems?!
They're fairly easy to RWD aren't they as they were put in Caterhams and the like......Hmmmmmm Rover 75's have to be cheap now as well.......
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Jul 25, 2011 15:21:56 GMT
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I like the Idea of a Turbo K series but surely this will just exacerbate the Head Gasket problems?! The head gasket 'problem' isn't actually that much of a problem if you know how to solve it IIRC it's steel head dowels found in Freelander engines that provide the easy cure.
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Jul 25, 2011 15:42:35 GMT
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^^ WHS, plus multi-layer steel gasket if you want to. Turbo 1.8 K from a 75 makes 148BHP stock vs VVC 160, which strangely makes 160BHP-ish.
You can allegedly use the supercharger from a Bini instead, however I don't know if anyone has actually done this.
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sonus
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Jul 25, 2011 17:20:52 GMT
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I've got a MG ZT with the 1.8 Turbo. This has 160bhp as opposed to the 75 Turbo which has 150bhp. Acording to insider info from MGRover the turbo engines were detuned not to detract customers from the KV6 versions. www.zandf-tuning.co.uk/ Here's a 1.4 Turbo with almost 300BHP www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?162775-Rover-100-Kensington-SE-%28no-less%29-1-4-K-series-Turbo-292-9-bhp-230lbftIt was due to the need of torque for the larger 75/ZT thet they went with turbo instead of the higher revving VVC. The headgasket problems I have been told are as good as gone when you change for the MLS headgasket, better torque bolts (10.8 grade as opposed to 9.9 originally) and a better oil rail. Just make sure the cylinder liners hasn't dropped lower than 2 thou above the block and that they all measure the same. My car had to have a new head as the previous owner had driven the car with the HGF for a long time. Luckily he had to pay the bill and not me There's not much info on tuning the K16Turbo, but I really like a few more horses in the ZT so will read the mini-link with interest,
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Last Edit: Jul 25, 2011 17:32:52 GMT by sonus
Current 1968 TVR VIXEN S1 V8 Prototype 2004 TVR T350C 2017 BMW 340i
Previous BMW 325d E91LCI - sold Alfa Romeo GTV - sold Citroen AX GT - at the breakers Ford Puma 1.7 - sold Volvo V50 2.0d - sold MGB GT - wrecked by fire MG ZT 1.8T - sold VW E-golf Electric - sold Mini Countryman 1.6D -sold Land Rover Discovery TD5 - sold
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Jul 25, 2011 18:03:40 GMT
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the 1.8 turbo k series was actually a low compression engine from mexico due to their poor fuel. rover bolted a turbo to it, for the mg/rover 75 to compete with the power with the v8 but without the dire fuel economy. My mg zt was running just a shade under 12 psi and wa fooking quick, my mate jamie had the 1.8 turbo in a metro se, it was mapped on megasquirt with a very rough tune and made 175 bhp, mapped properly should easily have seen 200, and even with 175bhp, the car was a damn site faster than his 160vvc powered metro.
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Jul 25, 2011 20:30:15 GMT
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Is the ECU of the non charged K-series and charged K-series interchangable?
I like the idea of a Rover 200 with 1.4 Turbo with around 160hp. Low tax, insurance and sleeper looks.
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Jul 25, 2011 22:09:54 GMT
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Is the ECU of the non charged K-series and charged K-series interchangable? I like the idea of a Rover 200 with 1.4 Turbo with around 160hp. Low tax, insurance and sleeper looks. You'd want an aftermarket ECU like emerald or megasquirt. I'm tempted by the supercharged engines Frontline have recently completed. The owner has a 260hp supercharged K in his MGB, there's an article somewhere on the net about it, very nice motor. I know a customer is having a similar spec K put into his midget which will fly!
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1973 MG Midget 1.4 kseries
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the blocks of the k series are all the same, so the internals of the 1.8 can be fitted to the 1.4 block( not that I'm hinting at anything untoward here ), but the ecus are notoriously difficult to get working in other cars, so you would need megasquirt or something like that to get it to run.
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored Rover 75 - Barge MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer... MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored Project Minion........ Can you see the theme?
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RobinJI
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Ross, the ECU's aren't too bad, there's a few guides floating around the mini forums, and as long as you get the full loom and immobiliser with the ECU then it's easy enough to trim all the unwanted bits off and end up with a fairly need little bundle that'll run the engine on it's own.
As for their interchangeability, I'm not sure on the turbo motors, but with the NA lumps I'm under the impression that there's basically 3 set ups: distributor spi, distributor mpi and wasted spark mpi. As long as the new and old engine are the same set up, then you can plug in any matching engine and ECU (and matching immobiliser). So if you've got a 1.1 mpi metro with a dizzy, you can drop in any 1.6 mpi with a dizzy, plug it in, plug in your matching immobiliser and ECU and be on your way.
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ChasR
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Jul 26, 2011 10:30:39 GMT
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I was under the impression that the Turbo engines were more likely to blow HGs than their NA equivalents. Either way, you cannot deny that for the package they do the job quite well (power/tuning and weight)
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sonus
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Jul 26, 2011 13:35:05 GMT
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I just ordered a new tweeked ECU for my ZT from Zanf-tuning.co.uk They are sending me a replacement ECU that's remapped. Should make it plug and play Hopefully it'll make enough change to be felt as I won't be able to run it on a rolling road
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Current 1968 TVR VIXEN S1 V8 Prototype 2004 TVR T350C 2017 BMW 340i
Previous BMW 325d E91LCI - sold Alfa Romeo GTV - sold Citroen AX GT - at the breakers Ford Puma 1.7 - sold Volvo V50 2.0d - sold MGB GT - wrecked by fire MG ZT 1.8T - sold VW E-golf Electric - sold Mini Countryman 1.6D -sold Land Rover Discovery TD5 - sold
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Jul 26, 2011 15:27:18 GMT
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the uk company rica tuning offered a 195 bhp remap for the 1.8k series.
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craig1010cc
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Jul 26, 2011 17:31:52 GMT
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You can allegedly use the supercharger from a Bini instead, however I don't know if anyone has actually done this. Pat has got one fitted and running in the back of his Imp, mental thing that is
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