bstardchild
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Aug 16, 2012 11:50:33 GMT
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Hi again BC. Thanks for the link. Might need to hang fire on the back box just now. OK - if I can get shipped by pony express I'll do it otherwise I'll stick it in the loft in the hope that one day you will want it or someone else will Car is up and running again but my mojo is down Spent hours trying to get that stud out with nuts locked together them nuts welded to it and it just won't budge so stuck the exhaust on but it's blowing at the manifold I'm sure and messing up the idle. It was 11 at night when I finished working outside, soaked, filthy and disappointed. Manifold gasket is a bit of a common issue - not that expensive but please take a bit of advice - buy all new bolts (still avaliable from vauxhall) as if you re-use the old ones they can snap flush in the head just as they get tight and I've scrapped an engine in the past because I broke 3 bolts - all flush with the head and drilling them out and using an eazi out resulted in broken easi outs as well as drill bits and I just gave up on the engine (I had plenty of spares so a proper fix just wasn't worth the effort)
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foxy99
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Aug 16, 2012 13:54:49 GMT
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Yep. Once you get to the Easi-Out stage its usually a scrap casting whatever you are working on That's good advice actually as I didn't know the manifold to head interface would have more problems in store. Luckily I'm only at the exhaust to manifold interface just now. As for the backbox I really should take it despite all the other issues. It sorta belongs with this car and I would've snapped it up last week if I hadn't repaired the old one. If you can hold till end of month when I get paid will defo do it. I appreciate all your input on this. Cheers BC
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bstardchild
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Hi Foxy That back box is now in Glasgow - I'm hoping that's way closer than Norfolk Best PM abccarpix Click me to PM
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foxy99
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Doh! Didn't notice this post Will update soon
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bstardchild
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Doh! Didn't notice this post Will update soon That's OK - Glasgow is closer right?? ;D Really gratefull to abcarpix as he agreed to take it after a short conversation in the camp site and at no notice whatsoever Edited to add - googled Glasgow to East Kilbride - christ you could walk it in a day - lucky break ;D
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foxy99
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Aug 26, 2012 20:19:07 GMT
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Lol. I nearly walked it on Friday night.... Was told I'd missed last bus home from Glasgow and started walking....bus to East Kilbride came up behind me about 10 minutes later. Result
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I got in touch with abcarpix and should be able to meet and pick up the box this weekend. Since last Monday I've been busy making up a Heath-Robinson downpipe-clamp-to-exhaust-manifold clamping device out of 3mm steel plate. It takes quite some time to saw or drill bits of this out..... The three pieces are now welded up and seem to fit ok offered up to one of the downpipe clamps off my old exhaust. Just need to put a captive nut on the top face which will be used to tighten the thing up against the manifold. I can't see why it won't work but there are no guarantees bottom part of new device should hook under downpipe clamp vertical part reaches slightly above level of manifold. bolt through nut welded to top face should pull bottom clamp up tight to manifold I'm not a fan of home made captive nuts as I believe the thread is hardened and damaged by the welding heat but don't really have any other option here.
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Last Edit: Aug 30, 2012 2:16:49 GMT by foxy99
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bstardchild
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Aug 30, 2012 22:30:24 GMT
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I'm being thick but I can't see what you are trying to do and why - well I can sort of see what you are trying to do butif I've ever snapped a stud in a cast iron manifold I've just drilled out the remains of the stuff and dropped a bolt in from topside and used that.
Everyone makes the same mistake with senator/carlton etc 2 bolt manifold fixings and assumes you need to get them mega tight to seal the exhaust gasses - you actually don't need them tight at all but you do need to do them up equally each side so the tension is same both sides and make sure the downpipe cup isn't distorted from being cranked up on one side first and the manifold is clean and free from corosion on the mating face - hand tight is plenty
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Hi again BC. That's good to know (about the tightness issue). There's no room to get a drill in from above and I'd probably makes a mess of it from below and go off centre. I suppose I believe one day I'll get it out on the bench and remove it properly.... In the meantime I just want to balance things up because it is only clamped on one side and you can see soot marks where the fumes are escaping. Its also making am embarrassing noise Have got the captive nut welded on now with a bolt and locknut in place. Just kept to the same thread size as the manifold studs (M10 x 1.50) so it's not totally alien to the original fixing. I ran a tap through the thread after welding and it's definitely not as good as a normal thread. There was quite a bit of resistance for the tap to go through. Wonder how they do captive nuts properly..... Gonna give it a try tomorrow. will home made clamp be up to the job?
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Last Edit: Sept 1, 2012 1:14:30 GMT by foxy99
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bstardchild
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Sept 3, 2012 15:14:09 GMT
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Hi again BC. That's good to know (about the tightness issue). No probs - I've been cuffing around with straight sixes for too long now - later cars have three bolt manifolds which are a whole heap better and when overtightened don't leak - you can convert early cars with the manifold and collar assemblies but it really isn't neccesary unless the collars are damaged. I've got a set of late model manifolds and collars as well as the later stainless steel downpipes for a 3.0 engine that has been converted to 3.6 which I'll get round to one day There's no room to get a drill in from above and I'd probably makes a mess of it from below and go off centre. I suppose I believe one day I'll get it out on the bench and remove it properly.... Doesn't really matter if you go off centre a little bit but lets see how your little fabricated part works - if it works all good - if it doesn't I'd be running a drill through the manifold and replacing the broken stud with a long bolt I ran a tap through the thread after welding and it's definitely not as good as a normal thread. There was quite a bit of resistance for the tap to go through. Wonder how they do captive nuts properly..... Weld nuts are only 4 sided from memory so don't distort as much (I think - don't know for sure it's just my assumption)
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Sept 19, 2012 2:01:41 GMT
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Well. I finally got the backbox (courtesy of bstardchild, AB car pix and Stuart-c) last night and, although not planning to fit it as the old one is ok now, decided to have a look at it today and offer it up to the old one. All was looking good apart from one of the labels seemed to say Monza on it and then I noticed to 2 inlet pipes point up the way instead of down. It's for the Coupe models Peeling off another sticker revealed it said Monza/Royale Coupe. Bit of a shame after all the trouble the guys went to but at least it's more likely to be used again by someone else as there are more Monzas and Royale Coupes around than Royale Saloons. Strange though that it has the same part no, inked onto it as my back box has. 'Pony Express' backbox looking good familiar part no.sand againbackbox on my car has same no. felt tipped onto itfront pipes point up instead of downsticker revealed confirms for Monza/Royale CoupeAnyway that's a part at the end of the car but today I came across what is more than likely the end of the car. Under my ownership anyway. Found some major rot on the front passenger side chassis rail where the anti roll bar bolts on. The rust wasn't as much of a surprise as the wadding inside. Can only think a mouse must've lived there at some time. poking about at rust on chassis rail uncovered soft material insidefrom belowI pulled all this out and think there may still be more in therepossibly the end of the lineI've not decided 100% what to do yet. I know I could fix it fairly easily but it would have to come off the road and it's unlikely that it would be done before the road tax runs out at end of the month. I'd need to make room for it in the barn and there are 3 cars and 5 motorbikes in there already so I really should just get rid of it. It's a real shame but you have to be realistic sometimes
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Last Edit: Sept 20, 2012 1:46:04 GMT by foxy99
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craig1010cc
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Sept 19, 2012 9:44:27 GMT
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it'll be a shame to see you giving up on the old girl after all the work you've put in her so far, but can understand the reasoning. re the backbox, I think you should follow the same route a previous owner of my old series1 monza did, simply replace the backbox with 2 stright bits of pipe Sounded great
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bstardchild
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Sept 19, 2012 22:04:58 GMT
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Initialy I thought cirse word, then I thought turn the front and rear hangers round - it would work then wouldn't it?
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bstardchild
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Sept 19, 2012 22:08:07 GMT
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Oh and then I looked at the chassis rail and thought well I've seen that before so many times - I'm just wondering if pony express can get a chassis rail section that is near perfect to you
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Sept 20, 2012 1:56:12 GMT
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Lol. I hope you're joking about the chassis rail as I kinda want this to have to be the end. I could patch it up quite easily but it really needs done properly. Are there no rich Royale restorers out there who can do the car justice? There is another one, a bit worse than mine, on Ebay just now for £200 and I get the feeling it won't find a good home so that could be 2 more gone this year. Knowing myself I'll probably squeeze it into the barn and cycle up and down over the winter and into next summer getting nowhere fast. In a way I'm relieved because if I did keep it and it had no tax/MoT I could actually get to the bottom of that bulkhead leak and get some paint on the car. See. I'm having second thoughts already
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craig1010cc
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Sept 20, 2012 8:52:10 GMT
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I'm glad to hear you might be keeping it, I've been enjoying watching the way you've been tackeling it and I recon your right that it is unlikely to go back on the road if you sold it
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Sept 20, 2012 9:36:37 GMT
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Please keep it...!!! Don't lose the faith, it'll all come good in the end...
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Sept 20, 2012 9:56:35 GMT
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Sept 20, 2012 10:25:19 GMT
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Just read the imp pickup article - what a great find! You've owned it for years then? As for the Royale, you clearly have the skills to put it right properly. How much do you like the car though? I was lucky in my eyes to sell my cav gsi for good money needing work,but am happy that it's gone to someone who will actually do it up. The chances of me finding a buyer who was going to get it back on the road were slim in my eyes though, as they still break for pretty good money. Would you be ok in the knowledge that it may end up getting broken for parts...? Difficult one, when you clearly have plenty of project work on other cars to be getting on with...
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bstardchild
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Sept 20, 2012 22:28:18 GMT
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Lol. I hope you're joking about the chassis rail as I kinda want this to have to be the end. I could patch it up quite easily but it really needs done properly. Err - I don't joke when it comes to Monza Parts ;D Even in the ABS I rarely get to royales these days and it's a real shame as they are nice car
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